Martin Luther Comments on Free Will

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Robert Pate

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beloved57 said:
False teaching, Those Christ died for are reconciled to God while they are enemies Rom 5:10 !
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You don't get it.

The reconciliating work of Christ makes salvation available to all who do nothing more than this... "Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
 
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Robert Pate said:
You don't get it.

The reconciliating work of Christ makes salvation available to all who do nothing more than this... "Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
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Those Christ died for are reconciled to God while they are enemies and unbelievers Rom 5:10 !
 
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beloved57 said:
Those Christ died for are reconciled to God while they were being enemies and unbelievers Rom 5:10 ! You calling Paul a liar?
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Some how in your twisted mind you think that Romans 5:10 supports predestination.

God has reconciled the whole world unto himself by the doing and the dying of Jesus. Jesus is the reconciler, Romans 3:26.

No one is reconciled unto God without the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Now it is your responsibilty to accept the reconciliation that God has provided for you in Jesus Christ.

This is why Paul said. "Be ye reconciled unto God" 2 Corinthians 5:20.
 
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Robert Pate said:
Some how in your twisted mind you think that Romans 5:10 supports predestination.

God has reconciled the whole world unto himself by the doing and the dying of Jesus. Jesus is the reconciler, Romans 3:26.

No one is reconciled unto God without the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Now it is your responsibilty to accept the reconciliation that God has provided for you in Jesus Christ.

This is why Paul said. "Be ye reconciled unto God" 2 Corinthians 5:20.
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All whom Christ died for are reconciled to God by His Death while they are enemies and shall be saved by His life Rom 5:10 ,that doesn't apply to all without exception since some people are already condemned and under Gods Wrath as unbelievers John 3:18,36 !
 
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beloved57 said:
All whom Christ died for are reconciled to God by His Death while they are enemies and shall be saved by His life Rom 5:10 ,that doesn't apply to all without exception since some people are already condemned and under Gods Wrath as unbelievers John 3:18,36 !
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You are suffering from a bad case of Herecitus.

Here is the cure... "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

Do this right away.
 
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Robert Pate said:
You are suffering from a bad case of Herecitus.

Here is the cure... "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

Do this right away.
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Those Christ died for are reconciled saved from their sins by Christ death, while they are enemies and unbelievers Rom 5:10 !
 
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beloved57 said:
You don't believe the scriptures!
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We are justified and saved by the doing and the dying of Jesus.

His life, His death, His resurrection, His position at the right hand of God. All that Jesus is and all that Jesus did is what saves us. Not just his life.
 
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Robert Pate said:
We are justified and saved by the doing and the dying of Jesus.

His life, His death, His resurrection, His position at the right hand of God. All that Jesus is and all that Jesus did is what saves us. Not just his life.
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You teach that millions upon millions for whom Christ died will end up in Hell for their sins in unbelief! What happened?
 
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Ask Mr. Religion said:
Dan P,

As a lost person under the wrath of God, I possessed no moral ability to participate in my own salvation. I was lost, in other words, I was

- deceitful and desperately sick (Jer. 17:9);
- full of evil (Mark 7:21-23);
- loved darkness rather than light (John 3:19);
- unrighteous, did not understand, did not seek for God (Rom. 3:10-12);
- helpless and ungodly (Rom. 5:6);
- dead in my trespasses and sins (Eph. 2:1);
- by nature a child of wrath (Eph. 2:3);
- could not understand spiritual things (1 Cor. 2:14); and
- a slave of sin (Rom. 6:16-20).

In other words, my inability to submit to God and do good was total (Romans 8:7-8; Ephesians 2:1; 2 Corinthians 4:4-6). My rebellion was wholly deserving of eternal punishment (2 Thessalonians 1:6-9; Matthew 5:29-30; 10:28; 13:49-50; 18:8-9; 25:46; Rev. 14:9-11; 20:10).

At the age of fourteen, I had heard about a local Baptist tent revival hosted by one Rev. Walter St. Claire in Kingsport, Tennessee. I was very curious about what went on at these revivals, so I hitchhiked to the meetings each night and to see Rev. St. Claire bring down fire and brimstone among those in attendance. Each night when I got home I would open my Bible to learn more about what I had heard. The things I had heard were hard sayings, "faith alone", "grace alone", "propitiation". In the days of no internet, all I had was my Grandmother's huge family Bible, so I would turn its pages hoping to understand some small part of what I had heard earlier that evening.

On the fourth of the five nights Rev. St. Claire was in town I returned home, again studying what I had heard. On this night, what I was reading from that evening's sermon, "Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand..." (Matthew 26:45), seemed to jump off the page. Yes! I was like the sleeping disciples, who had become so "comfortable" with the physical Lord they had been walking with, that I did not grasp Who Jesus really was and why He was sent by God. Now no tears came, no crying out for mercy, but only the washing over me a sense of tremendous peace as I prayed for God to grant someone unworthy like me His saving grace. That regenerative moment in my life set me on a journey in my walk of faith that still continues.

On that night, for God's own good purposes and glory, without considering anything He foresaw I had or may do (no foreseen personal merit), God took the initiative according to His eternal decree and plan for realization of His decree. God regeneratively replaced my "heart of stone" with "one of flesh" (Eze. 36:26) and I was simultaneously and irresistibly given the moral ability of belief in the Good News that was preached (i.e., the ordinary means of regeneration), an ability I did not possess beforehand. My ability to believe, previously lost to all Adam's progeny with his fall in the Garden, was such that I could not be inclined other than to believe. Indeed, as but and undeserving, repentant sinner, at the moment of my "re-birth" (regeneration) the greatest inclinations of my free will were the laying hold of the righteousness of Christ's works— His active and passive obedience, on my and all those on behalf of whom He came to actually (not possibly) redeem.

My new principle of life — my love for and trust of my Savior, Jesus Christ, fully God and fully man in one Person — flows from my new birth, not vice versa. I believe this is clearly taught in John 3:3 wherein our Lord tells us we cannot even see the kingdom of God unless we are first born again. If we cannot see the kingdom, we certainly cannot enter it; thus, regeneration precedes its fruit—faith—in some sort of logical manner. In regenerating my heart, the efficacious regenerative grace of the Holy Spirit opened my eyes, making me irresistibly able and thusly, inclined to obey in faith.

I do not forget that God does not look at my faith or knowledge as the ground of my justification but rather the ground of my justification is the finished work of Christ. Faith is the alone by which I, a sinner, cling to Christ and am now justified, solely by Christ's active and passive obedient works on my behalf and for others of whom Jesus came to render their salvation to actually deliver (not possibly deliver) them from the curse of the law, and from the power of sin.

In other words, my faith is the instrument, not the cause, which belongs to Christ alone, of my justification before God the Father.

My new life that came when the quickening power of the Holy Spirit transformed my heart did not eradicate sin’s presence from my life. Even as regenerated to a new life, after my heart was redirected towards the Savior, I still have great capacity for evil. While the power of sin to compel me to do evil is now broken, my ability to sin remains (Rom. 7:4–25), for I will never escape the noetic effects of sin until coming into my glory.

Therefore, I must do all that I can to put to death the lusts of my flesh. Most thankfully, my Lord is the author of my faith hence, He is also the finisher (Heb. 12:2) such that I will persevere to the very end and to my ultimate glory. Mine is an alien righteousness, one instilled from outside myself, that of Christ's (1 Corinthians 1:30). I always remember that regeneration was only the beginning of my walk, thus I am less surprised at my struggles with temptation and become more vigilant in mortifying my flesh.

for what He did for us,
AMR
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You just simply heard the Gospel and believed it. No predestination or being zapped with the Holy Spirit.

You heard, you believed and you received the Holy Spirit, just like they did on the day of Pentecost.

The Holy Spirit was dealing with you, thats why you went to those meetings and thats why you became a believer. Not because you were predestinated.
 
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