God has "consigned" all men under sin that He might have mercy upon all....that places all under the wrath of God.
Martin Luther Comments on Free Will
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God has "consigned" all men under sin that He might have mercy upon all....that places all under the wrath of God.
God's wrath was somewhat ameliorated after the flood, since the time of Noah "whatsoever a man shall sow that also shall he reap"
There are only two positions that a person can be in.
1. "In the flesh" means that they have not been born again.
2. "In the Spirit" means that they have been born again.
"That which is born of the flesh is flesh: and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit" John 3:6.
We are born again by hearing and believing the Gospel, just like on the day of Pentecost, Acts 2:38.
Evasion, you don't believe that Christ death propitated God's wrath ! Do you know what propitated means ? Because you are falsely teaching that those who Christ already satisfied God's law and justice for, are still born under God's wrath !
Ephesians 3.
Among whom also we our conversasion in times past in the lusts of the flesh and of the mind and were by nature CHILDREN OF WRATH even as others.
We were by nature children of wrath even as others
And AMR is right for the sacrifice of the cross was offered for us through the eternal Spirit and He it is who makes it effectual at the time of His choosing.
Until that time we consigned under sin, children of wrath....as Paul says "lost without hope and without God in the world"
You are wrong
beloved57
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You didn't answer the question! Gods Wrath has been propitiated for those Christ died for, so how could they be under Gods Wrath? That is a contradiction!
beloved57
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Yeah those Christ died for were that, but those Christ died for, His death propitiated Gods Wrath, appeased it and reconciled them to God while they are enemies and unbelievers Rom 5:10, so how could they be under Gods Wrath?
AMR is correct for the propitiation for our sin is made applicable to us by the Holy Ghost at the time of His choosing...until then we are children of wrath even as others.
beloved57
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Amr is a false witness, the propitiation was applied while being enemies, that is why they were reconciled to God while being enemies Rom 5:10
AMR believes that as do I....yous saying we are never enemies in the first place.
beloved57
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Both of you are in error, Those Christ died for are reconciled to God while they are enemies, so that proves that as enemies and unbelievers they're not under Gods Wrath, for God's wrath has been propitiated! How can they be under Gods Wrath when God for them has been propitiated?
beloved57
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That's a lie, I am saying that those Christ died for are reconciled to God As Enemies! Rom 5:10 !
yes as enemies...under His wrath
They are reconciled to God by hearing and believing the Gospel.
"Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" (The Gospel) Romans 10:17.
beloved57
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That's a lie, they were reconciled to God while being enemies by the Death of Christ, God's Son Rom 5:10 ! Are you calling Paul a liar?
beloved57
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That's false, enemies and reconciled to God Rom 5:10 !
No one is reconciled to God without receiving the reconciliation. This is why Paul said, "Be ye reconciled to God" 2 Corinthians 5:20.
If you don't receive what Christ has done to reconcile you to God, you are lost.
beloved57
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False teaching, Those Christ died for are reconciled to God while they are enemies Rom 5:10 !