Madists

[CherubRam]

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You prove yourself to be clueless ONCE AGAIN.

Paul says that we don't work BUT believe.

If you cannot understand that, so be it.

Faith without works is a dead faith.

 

[CherubRam]

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[FONT=&quot]Deuteronomy 6:8[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Isaiah 8:16[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Revelation 9:4[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. [/FONT]

 

[john w]

Philippians 2:12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling]

Paul says they have always obeyed and to continue to WORK out their salvation with TREMBLING and FEAR. That blows your theory out of the water.

The context/issue Paul is discussing is not spirit/soul salvation/deliverance, moron. Of course, being the lost idiot that you are, not studying the details of the book, what preceeds/follows the Philippians passage, just "interpreting" a verse in isolation, you would spam the above. And you are clueless as to what the term "salvation" means.

 

[musterion]

The context/issue Paul is discussing is not spirit/soul salvation/deliverance, moron. Of course, being the lost idiot that you are, not studying the details of the book, what preceeds/follows the Philippians passage, just "interpreting" a verse in isolation, you would spam the above. And you are clueless as to what the term "salvation" means.

It's almost like talking to a troll.

Almost? :think:

 

[musterion]

Faith without works is a dead faith.

Salvation by works is a dead end.

 

[john w]

Paul is talking about the purification works.

Paul is not putting a threat to those who obey, and he is not giving a secret way to be saved by telling people not to obey to be saved.

Made up, and now changing your "argument," you slick little devil....

 

[john w]

2 Thessalonians 3:14 If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of him. Do not associate with him, in order that he may feel ashamed.15 Yet do not regard them as an enemy, but warn them as you would a fellow believer.


What are they being warned for? lol


1 Corinthians 5:2 And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have gone into mourning and have put out of your fellowship the man who has been doing this?

1 Corinthians 5:13
God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked person from among you."


Expel the wicked person so they can be judged by God.

Paul is discussing with the Corinthians their sanctification, not justification, moron; he never questioned their justification, moron, always referring to them as "saints," even though they were carnal.

 

[musterion]

Paul is discussing with the Corinthians their sanctification, not justification, moron; he never questioned their justification, moron, always referring to them as "saints," even though they were carnal.

Yep. Paul never came out and said the guy having sex with his mother was not saved. If there was ever a case to point at a professing believer and say "His behavior PROVES he ain't saved!" that guy would have been it. But Paul didn't and a miracle-working apostle would have known.

 

[Right Divider]

According to you, we have to help Jesus save us by believing.

Nope.... that is you saying something that want to pin on me.

 

[Right Divider]

The Ephesians are Gentiles and they know that they were SEPARATE and WITHOUT God because they were called the UNCIRCUMCISED.

Circumcision is a purification work that is a seal for all the purification WORKS.

Ephesians 2:12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world.

Did you read that? PAUL says, "Remember".

Ephesians 2:11 [ Jew and Gentile Reconciled Through Christ ] Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)—

So you really want to keep to your false beliefs?

The Ephesians NEVER had ANY ceremonial laws to keep. So how could they NO LONGER have to keep them?

You are as illogical as they come.

 

[musterion]

The Ephesians NEVER had ANY ceremonial laws to keep. So how could they NO LONGER have to keep them?

She will avoid that point entirely for it cannot be refuted.

 

[john w]

Yep. Paul never came out and said the guy having sex with his mother was not saved. If there was ever a case to point at a professing believer and say "His behavior PROVES he ain't saved!" that guy would have been it. But Paul didn't and a miracle-working apostle would have known.

And Paul had the harshest words for the "law keeping" Galatians, which should be a learning lesson to the lost, and every member of the boc.

 

[God's Truth]

And Paul had the harshest words for the "law keeping" Galatians, which should be a learning lesson to the lost, and every member of the boc.

They were getting circumcised and observing special days. THOSE are the works that no longer saved. Obeying is NOT the works that no longer save. LOL

 

[God's Truth]

The Ephesians NEVER had ANY ceremonial laws to keep. So how could they NO LONGER have to keep them?

You are as illogical as they come.

They were separate from GOD because they did not do those works!

That is the works that separated them from God.

 

[God's Truth]

She will avoid that point entirely for it cannot be refuted.

Explain what it was that people misunderstood about Paul.

They misunderstood him as saying we do not have to obey and only believe.

That is why Peter tells us that people misunderstand Paul but then why Peter warns us to obey.

James also dealt with people misunderstanding Paul and also warns us.

See 2 Peter 3:16, 17; James 2:14, 17, 20, and 22.

 

[God's Truth]

The context/issue Paul is discussing is not spirit/soul salvation/deliverance, moron. Of course, being the lost idiot that you are, not studying the details of the book, what preceeds/follows the Philippians passage, just "interpreting" a verse in isolation, you would spam the above. And you are clueless as to what the term "salvation" means.

Wow, you really are lost. If you are living a sinful life, then you do not have salvation now. If you do not have it now, then how do you know you will have it when you die? And if you do not have salvation now, then if Jesus comes you better be ready for it will be too late.

 

[God's Truth]

Nope.... that is you saying something that want to pin on me.

Do you or not say we have to believe to be saved?

 

[heir]

The Ephesians NEVER had ANY ceremonial laws to keep. So how could they NO LONGER have to keep them?

You are as illogical as they come.

:thumb:

 

[God's Truth]

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The Gentiles had to keep the ceremonial works if they wanted a relationship with God; since they did not keep those works, they were separate and without God.

See Ephesians 2.

 

[clefty]

What do you believe about the cross? Do you believe that he came to die on a cross to save you?

yes and so much more...

I believe that Christ Jesus came to bare witness to the truth and thats what he said that he came to this world for and this is how he is our saviour because he preached the ministry of reconciliation and those who believe and repent are saved from their past sins through faith by the grace of God and then we are to turn from sin, obey God and do his will.

yes reconciliation was part of it but again there is so much more...try talking to one who has no prior knowledge of the OT and about his need of salvation...and you see why even He started with Moses and began to relate everything about Himself on the way to Emmus about 20 miles away so we got us at least 1.5 hour sermon...without Q and A...and that is with believing Jews...

There is so much more the gospel entails...

It wasn't good news to crucify our Lord Jesus, his life and the preaching of the gospel is the good news, and that started way before he was murdered by wicked hands on the cross.

What do you believe, thanks

Was merely making a point that it takes more than just to believe in the BDR...or that it is good news...some merely think the death and burial occurred and is good news...but the resurrection is NOT...of those they are also known as Zionists...heroes to some here at TOL...ironic