Do you believe you were sanctified?
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One In Christ
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If sanctification is absent, or in other words, ignored (as there is effort on our part to progress this), what do you believe happens to our Justification?
One In Christ
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Justification is not something to be happened to.
Do you believe you still need to be sanctified?
One In Christ
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In what sense? In my spiritual sense? No. I am holy and perfect, in Christ.
In a fleshly sense? There is always room for improvement i guess
If you were sanctified (Bible verse provided), do you still need to be sanctified (is there a Bible verse to support your position)?In what sense? In my spiritual sense? No. I am holy and perfect, in Christ.
In a fleshly sense? There is always room for improvement i guess
andyc
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Nothing. But our witness will be non existent (Acts 24:16).
One In Christ
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I don't "need", but it is His will:
1Th 4:3 KJV - For this is the will of God, [even] your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
1Th 4:4 KJV - That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
1Th 5:23 KJV - And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and [I pray God] your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Ti 2:21 KJV - If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, [and] prepared unto every good work.
One In Christ
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I agree. So what's the problem?
Nang
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Yes. Justification is a forensic (legal) ruling of pardon executed by God.
Yes. Sanctification is the result of Justification. The condemned criminal is legally pardoned and set free and enabled to live a new life that proves to be holy, righteous, thankful, and openly submissive to the sovereign will of God.
This is genuine "conversion" from darkness to light; from death to life; from being condemned by God to standing in His grace.
Those who claim to be pardoned, but do not evidence spiritual conversion, through acts of faith and repentance, are suspect.
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One In Christ
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This is the problem i have... You are playing God, deciding who is saved. Sanctification is NOT the result of Justification alone. It requires our effort as well, and we can choose not to sanctify.
Are we then not Justified?
andyc
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That's right.
The fruit of the Spirit ought to be evident eventually, otherwise a person's faith will seem superficial.
2Peter 1:5-9
But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
Okay.
A thought came to me that these verses might be about sanctification in the manner that then a person can say they have been sanctified (verse provided). Or are there two different kinds of sanctification (is the word being used for two different purposes/senses)? I'm confused about sanctification.
One teaching I have heard is that a person who is a Christian has been justified, is being sanctified, and will be glorified.
andyc
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No problem.
We need to be good witnesses.
One In Christ
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I believe we can talk about sanctification in a couple ways.
Our spirit is sanctified in Christ:
1Cr 1:2 KJV - Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called [to be] saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
This cannot be changed, and is Completely the work of God, when we believe.
Our soul can be sanctified:
1Th 5:23 KJV - And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and [I pray God] your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
This requires action on our part, and God's, as we have to respond to our salvation.
And we will be ultimately sanctified when we meet God
One In Christ
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We should be.. It is His Will. So why then do you oppose MAD?
Well, Aint Bee always gives sandwiches to those who live in trailer parks, and, re. your ""Thats' the plan....," "For the love of Mike, man, go...will you just go...?!" to visit the Fun Girls?
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