Lord, Lord, Didn't We?...

Robert Pate

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You teach that even After Christ lived and died for one they can wind up in Hell for their sins in unbelief!

Salvation has been provided for all, Hebrews 2:9.

It is God's great free gift for all. So that now, "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
 

beloved57

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Salvation has been provided for all, Hebrews 2:9.

It is God's great free gift for all. So that now, "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

You teach that God is unjust, that He punishes in Hell, the Righteous, those who have obeyed His Law perfectly, that Love Him with all their Heart and mind and strength!
 

genuineoriginal

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So, you believe that if you humble yourself and obey you will be saved?
That is what the Bible teaches.
So, the question is not whether I believe it.
The question is, "why you don't believe that you will be saved if you humble yourself and obey?"

If that were true then Jesus lived and died in vain.
Yes, you want to believe that, don't you?

That is the doctrine of men. Be a good person, do good works and you will be saved.
Three times this verse is quoted in the New Testament:

Habakkuk 2:4b NASB
4b But the righteous will live by his faith.​

The faith mentioned is an active faith demonstrated by works, not an empty faith consisting of believing without doing.

So, what kind of works does your faith demand you to do?
 

Lazy afternoon

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1Pe 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:


Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
 

Robert Pate

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1Pe 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:


Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.


All of the above scriptures are about what we do. There is nothing there about what Christ has done.

Your focus is on yourself and your righteousness. Sort of like the Pharisees.

Paul said of them, "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God" Romans 10:3.

The righteousness of God requires that you be perfect. "Even as your Father in heaven is perfect". Are you perfect? Anything short of perfect is sin.

This is why Paul said, As it is written, there is none righteous, no, not one" Romans 3:10.
 

beloved57

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All of the above scriptures are about what we do. There is nothing there about what Christ has done.

Your focus is on yourself and your righteousness. Sort of like the Pharisees.

Paul said of them, "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God" Romans 10:3.

The righteousness of God requires that you be perfect. "Even as your Father in heaven is perfect". Are you perfect? Anything short of perfect is sin.

This is why Paul said, As it is written, there is none righteous, no, not one" Romans 3:10.

Those Christ lived and died for are Perfect! They were made Perfect by Christ death Hebrew 10:14!
 

jamie

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This is why Paul said, As it is written, there is none righteous, no, not one" Romans 3:10.

Paul said that in the context of the Mosaic law. That law was set aside several years ago.

Unrighteousness is sin. We need to be righteous as Abel was righteous.

You can do it.
 

Robert Pate

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Paul said that in the context of the Mosaic law. That law was set aside several years ago.

Unrighteousness is sin. We need to be righteous as Abel was righteous.

You can do it.

Abel had man's righteousness.

The only righteousness that God accepts is the righteousness of Christ.

You don't have it, because you is a sinner, Romans 3:10.
 

daqq

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Evasion and Rabbit trail !

:think: Hmmm, did I end up down the wrong waskelwy wabbit twail?

Everything sure seems about the same:

You're condemned and that is fine with me because it's God's will . . .
You can't answer the question . . .
No, you're lost and unelected . . .
You're not a true beleeever . . .
Lord, Lord, didn't we cast legions of heathen into the fiery chasm for you?

Perhaps I've been snookered by the old two-thread-same-op-same-title waskelwy hat twick. :)
 

beloved57

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:think: Hmmm, did I end up down the wrong waskelwy wabbit twail?

Everything sure seems about the same:

You're condemned and that is fine with me because it's God's will . . .
You can't answer the question . . .
No, you're lost and unelected . . .
You're not a true beleeever . . .
Lord, Lord, didn't we cast legions of heathen into the fiery chasm for you?

Perhaps I've been snookered by the old two-thread-same-op-same-title waskelwy hat twick. :)

More evasion and rabbit trails!
 
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