Limited Atonement Means Limited Faith

[Cruciform]

HOGWASH!

If it's "hogwash," then it's your hogwash. In Post #19 you yourself admitted that the universal atonement accomplished by Christ will not be applied to all men. Therefore, you hold that the atonement is in fact limited in its application. Do you now deny that the atonement is limited in this manner??



Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+

 

[Robert Pate]

If it's "hogwash," then it's your hogwash. In Post #19 you yourself admitted that the universal atonement accomplished by Christ will not be applied to all men. Therefore, you hold that the atonement is in fact limited in its application. Do you now deny that the atonement is limited in this manner??



Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+

If "God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son" John 3:16. Then that means that when Christ died, he died for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

As far as God is concerned Jesus is the savior of the whole world, 1 John 4:14.

God sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ simply because Jesus is God's new Adam and humanities new representative, 2 Corinthians 5:17.

God has provided salvation for every person that is on the face of the earth, or that has ever lived on the earth. Now it is up to mankind to either receive what God has provided for him in Jesus Christ or to reject what God has provided for him in Jesus Christ.

To reject God's great free gift of salvation that has been provided by Jesus Christ is to bring God's wrath upon themselves.

 

[beloved57]

If "God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son" John 3:16. Then that means that when Christ died, he died for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

As far as God is concerned Jesus is the savior of the whole world, 1 John 4:14.

God sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ simply because Jesus is God's new Adam and humanities new representative, 2 Corinthians 5:17.

God has provided salvation for every person that is on the face of the earth, or that has ever lived on the earth. Now it is up to mankind to either receive what God has provided for him in Jesus Christ or to reject what God has provided for him in Jesus Christ.

To reject God's great free gift of salvation that has been provided by Jesus Christ is to bring God's wrath upon themselves.

You have not believed the Gospel!

 

[Robert Pate]

You have not believed the Gospel!

That is the Gospel. Your Calvinist Gospel is a false Gospel.

 

[beloved57]

That is the Gospel. Your Calvinist Gospel is a false Gospel.

TULIP is the Gospel!

 

[Cruciform]

If "God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son" John 3:16.Then that means that when Christ died, he died for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.As far as God is concerned Jesus is the savior of the whole world, 1 John 4:14.God sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ simply because Jesus is God's new Adam and humanities new representative, 2 Corinthians 5:17.God has provided salvation for every person that is on the face of the earth, or that has ever lived on the earth.Now it is up to mankind to either receive what God has provided for him in Jesus Christ or to reject what God has provided for him in Jesus Christ.To reject God's great free gift of salvation that has been provided by Jesus Christ is to bring God's wrath upon themselves.

You "forgot" to actually answer the question in Post #42. Try again.

 

[StanJ]

TULIP is the Gospel!

That's a flower....Jesus is the Good News.

Do you know what inculcation is?

 

[Robert Pate]

That's a flower....Jesus is the Good News.

Do you know what inculcation is?

B57 has inculcated himself into believing a lie.

INCULCATE: To impress upon the mind by frequent repetition or forceful admonition.

It is also known as brainwashing.

 

[beloved57]

B57 has inculcated himself into believing a lie.

INCULCATE: To impress upon the mind by frequent repetition or forceful admonition.

It is also known as brainwashing.

I believe the Gospel, you dont, you believe a lie !

 

[Robert Pate]

I believe the Gospel, you dont, you believe a lie !

Does your Gospel justify ungodly sinners without works, Romans 4:5 and reconciles the whole world unto God? 2 Corinthians 5:19.

If not. Then you have a false Gospel.

 

[StanJ]

I believe the Gospel, you dont, you believe a lie !

Do you believe the gospel, which is Jesus Christ, or do you believe TULIP which is Jean Cauvin?

1 Cor 15:2-6

 

[fishrovmen]

No, Jesus has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil for all men, Hebrews 2:9.

However, it is not yours if you don't receive it.

Who is the "we" in Hebrews 2:9?

 

[Cruciform]

Still waiting for Pate's informed answer to the question posed in Post #42 above... :yawn:

 

[StanJ]

Who is the "we" in Hebrews 2:9?

Luke and his followers.

 

[Ask Mr. Religion]

You "forgot" to actually answer the question in Post #42.

Be more user friendly...

1. Scroll about to post #42
2. Click that number
3. Now click the title of the thread next to the "Thread:" located directly above that number "42"
4. Copy the url that appears in your browser after step #3
5. Now format your comments wherein you ask a reader to go to "Post #42" to insert a link. Do so by selecting your text Post #42 and then clicking the hyperlink button in the post editing window.
6. Paste the url from step #4 into the link window that opens from step #5
7. Post your text now containing an active link to "Post #42" so the reader does not have to go searching about for your post.

Some folks have set the thread display to show only 10 posts per page and must scroll back through several pages to find your "Post #42". Given your propensity for linking it seems you should add the above process to your linking fests as it just might increase readership of whatever pops into your head.

:AMR:

AMR

 

[beloved57]

Does your Gospel justify ungodly sinners without works, Romans 4:5 and reconciles the whole world unto God? 2 Corinthians 5:19.

If not. Then you have a false Gospel.

You the one who doesn't believe those verses, nor understand them, you reject the Gospel ! Tulip is the Gospel !

 

[Robert Pate]

Who is the "we" in Hebrews 2:9?

The "we" in Hebrews 2:9 are Christians that have been enlightened by the Gospel. This is why Paul said to them...

"That he (Jesus) by the grace of God should taste death for EVERY MAN" Hebrews 2:9.

Did you get that? Or do you think that Paul is a liar?

 

[Robert Pate]

If it's "hogwash," then it's your hogwash. In Post #19 you yourself admitted that the universal atonement accomplished by Christ will not be applied to all men. Therefore, you hold that the atonement is in fact limited in its application. Do you now deny that the atonement is limited in this manner??



Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+

Salvation is not applied to anyone. It is provided for everyone as a free gift from God. However, the free gift of salvation is not ours until we receive it. Therefore, it is limited only in the sense that it is rejected. God imposes salvation on no one.

 

[Robert Pate]

You the one who doesn't believe those verses, nor understand them, you reject the Gospel ! Tulip is the Gospel !

TULIP is the devils tool to deceive you and cause you to believe a lie.

He's got you hook line and sinker. Unless you repent, you will spend eternity in hell along with your mentor John Calvin.

 

[beloved57]

TULIP is the devils tool to deceive you and cause you to believe a lie.

He's got you hook line and sinker. Unless you repent, you will spend eternity in hell along with your mentor John Calvin.

Tulip is the Gospel, and unless God grants you repentance to the acknowledging of that: You shall have your portion in the Lake of fire !