Lesbian Methodist Minister
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I like the way you think Zakath. You play a good Devil's Advocate. I've personally never understood why 'good christian people' whine about having to live through all the things that the Bible plainly says will happen, or why they try to resist it. A point to ponder: if the Bible says that the end times leading up to the big scha-bang will be full of perversion and sin, is it not defying God's plan -- thus, sinning -- to try and stop it? Too many people I see would rather God's plan adapt to them, than adapt themselves to God's plan. This is true with every denomination, including my own.
Okay. Agreed.
They did not choose to have those desires. They chose to act on them.
See above.
I didn't see his point. He explained it more clearly above, so now I know what he meant. And you can see my response to him for the reason your friends are wrong.
IveyLeaguer
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Re: Lesbian Methodist Minister
What other denominations are more tolerant?
Zakath
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Sorry to burst your balloon, Nin, but I've studied the subject to many years to be a "psychobabbler". I'll leave that to the lay folks like you.
That wasn't what I wrote... I have no problem with faith, merely misplaced faith.
Maybe, maybe not...
Unlike some folks who claim "miraculous" cures through prayer, positive thinking, or reciting verses from some "holy" book, I believe there are too many factors involved in successful counselling to assess a statement like yours wthout actually dealing with a real individual.
Psycho babbler? Is Zakath's true identity Charles Manson?:idea:
aharvey
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Okay, good, now we're getting somewhere. But just to be painfully clear (after all, look how long it took to get here; I don't want to veer back into the Land of Misinterpretation again!), you are saying that:
1. Everyone is genetically hardwired to be heterosexual. And you are confident that this applies to everyone, worldwide, throughout history, right?
2. Some external forces, and external forces only, can cause some individuals to become attracted to the same sex, even though they are still genetically programmed to be heterosexuals.
3.1. Some individuals who, because of these strictly external forces, become attracted to members of the opposite sex, act against their genes and pursue same-sex relationships.
3.2. Other individuals who, because of these strictly external forces, become attracted to members of the opposite sex, somehow decide to resist their own sexual preferences and either a) have relationships with members of the opposite sex, repulsive as that might now be to them, b) do not have relationships at all, or c) find some sort of "cure," restoring their genetic programming to the forefront.
Is this a fair assessment of your opinions about why homosexuality is expressed?
Nineveh
Merely Christian
Originally posted by Zakath
Sorry to burst your balloon, Nin, but I've studied the subject to many years to be a "psychobabbler". I'll leave that to the lay folks like you.
Are you saying your aren't a psychiatrist?
And who died and made you god?
Definatly to a Christ follower. Are you this bigoted with your patients?
No thanks, keep your snake oil.
Anyone of faith seeking you out should know up front you think they are a loon from the start.
Zakath
Resident Atheist
That's correct. I'm a psychologist... actually a fair amount of difference.
Another profound theological argument disguised as an ad homimen, eh?And who died and made you god?
I don't generally discuss religion with my clients. I'm a real psychologist, not a "pastoral counselor" masquerading as a trained professional.
Wasn't selling any this week... you'll do better finding snake oil at your local religious establishment.
I'll let you in on a "trick of the trade", Nin... not all delusions are harmful. I don't waste time on the harmless ones.
Actually, why reading your post, I thought of something. I am not entirely sure that sexuality is determined genetically, in anyone. But we are all born [genetics] to procreate. And infertile people are the exception to the rule.
Aside from the genetinc programming, yes. But I still believe that those who are not affected by these things will be heterosexual. Also, there are other external forces, or events, that can lead to promiscuity, sexual addiction and the like that is expressed in heterosexual behavior.
Well, I have come to the idea that it is not agains their genetic wiring. But it is against what they were designed for: procreation.
What?
1-3.1 was, but I have changed my mind. 3.2 doesn't make any sense. It may just be typos, that make it hard to understand, though.
It was a pun. Manson is a psycho, and a babbler...
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aharvey
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Born to breed? Hmm. As an alternative to being born straight, I'm doubtful that your new version makes any biological sense. Typically, and excluding the wonders of modern technology, people make babies because of things they do with people that they find sexually attractive. They do those things because they feel good, not because they want to make a baby. Infertile people have no less of a sex drive than fertile people, as far as I know. Their motivations for wanting to have sex is no different from those of fertile people, as far as I know. No, the way genetics actually works, it makes far more sense that it is the desire to have sex that is in our genes, not the desire to make babies.
In the absence of any genetic basis for heterosexuality? How would this be possible?
I didn't mean to imply that all external forces lead to homosexuality!
So, for example, when a man sees a hot woman at a bar, his most basic thoughts are not "Wow, I'd love to sleep with her," they are "Wow, I'd love for her to carry my baby"? And when someone is grossed out at the thought of two men having sex, it's due to the realization that such actions could never lead to a child?
Let's try again. Some heterosexuals are exposed to some external forces that cause them to become attracted to members of the same sex. What do they do? They either:
3.1: follow through with homosexual behavior, or they don't. Instead, they:
3.2.a: have relationships with members of the opposite sex, repulsive as that might now be to them (why repulsive? Because they are now attracted to same-sex)
3.2.b: do not have relationships at all, or
3.2.c: find some sort of "cure," restoring their genetic programming to the forefront.
Hope I clarified things a bit. I think you will have a very difficult task demonstrating that sexuality has no genetic basis, but breeding does, and that's why most people, with no genetic disposition one way or the other, end up being functionally homosexual. Do you REALLY think that could explain the instinctive, visceral revulsion most people experience when they visualize two men going at it?