justify war
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brother Willi
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can i kill Billy?
brother Willi
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most likely true.
but i dont post just for him to read
brother Willi
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why?
to give you a reason to start war?
the only way to win a war, is to deny a war
brother Willi
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NOPE
and
YEP
what did the Jews want?
a military messiah?
what did they get?
smeone who said be a good slave.
but you dont see that
philosophizer
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BrotherWilli, please! That is an utterly miserable analogy.
You're saying that Jesus is not ashamed of God in the Old Testament just as you are not ashamed of the "old west" in America.
So by that reasoning, America either did no wrong in the 1800's or God used to make mistakes in the Old Testament.
Please, either rethink your position or come up with a better argument cuz that one doesn't work.
Chileice
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The fact is someone has to back down for wars to end. Jesus was willing to back down and was the Saviour of mankind. That was his victory. I know that very few can see self-sacrifice as a means to an end, but it has worked rather dramatically in the few cases it was used: early Christians, Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Jr. But most people, Christians included, want no part of a plan that might include self-sacrifice. If the imps that run governments actually went out on the battlefield, like they did in the beloved OT now that might be a different story. But nowdays when Saddaam and George send waves of impressionable youth to do their dirty work it is just a curse on humanity.
I know some of Willi's metaphors are strange and I know he is fired up on this issue to the point he is getting to sound like a one-tune trumpet, but he is saying some things most of you are REFUSING to hear. It is not that you are not capable of hearing, you are unwilling to entertain the thought that the mightiest of nations might be the nation that becomes servant of all.
Does it sound far-fetched? Of course it does, because the enemies are real and we can't imagine them backing down so we keep upping the stakes. But someday, maybe in the lifetime of you younger folks, you may see the demise of America, that her very constant use of power may be what brings the wrath of the nations against her. Just like what happens to school bullies. Someday the wimp gets enough and laces the bully right back.
Proverbs 15.1 might work just as well for nations as it does for individuals. But we will never know as long as we live in denial about Jesus' pacifist way of dealing with people. Were that not the case he would not have suffered "with this sinful and adulterous generation" but would have brought it to a ringing halt. Instead he went to a cold cruel cross as a common criminal to die for the very idiots he came to save... like you and me. Praise God he didn't chose violence but rather chose to be violated (not in the sexual sense) for you and me.
I know I am also going to fall on deaf ears but I cannot help but think Willi is a bit like the prophet crying out in the wilderness and everyone else is plugging their ears and running screaming at the top of their lungs so as no to have to listen.
I know some of Willi's metaphors are strange and I know he is fired up on this issue to the point he is getting to sound like a one-tune trumpet, but he is saying some things most of you are REFUSING to hear. It is not that you are not capable of hearing, you are unwilling to entertain the thought that the mightiest of nations might be the nation that becomes servant of all.
Does it sound far-fetched? Of course it does, because the enemies are real and we can't imagine them backing down so we keep upping the stakes. But someday, maybe in the lifetime of you younger folks, you may see the demise of America, that her very constant use of power may be what brings the wrath of the nations against her. Just like what happens to school bullies. Someday the wimp gets enough and laces the bully right back.
Proverbs 15.1 might work just as well for nations as it does for individuals. But we will never know as long as we live in denial about Jesus' pacifist way of dealing with people. Were that not the case he would not have suffered "with this sinful and adulterous generation" but would have brought it to a ringing halt. Instead he went to a cold cruel cross as a common criminal to die for the very idiots he came to save... like you and me. Praise God he didn't chose violence but rather chose to be violated (not in the sexual sense) for you and me.
I know I am also going to fall on deaf ears but I cannot help but think Willi is a bit like the prophet crying out in the wilderness and everyone else is plugging their ears and running screaming at the top of their lungs so as no to have to listen.
brother Willi
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Chileice:thumb:
thank you, and God bless you
we must remember
most of the Jews were waiting for a Messiah that will kick some Roman hind end
they got this guy talkin about peace, forgiving,told them to be good slaves, trust in God , etc.
the Jews blew it, they listened to the high priests.
the high preists killed our Messiah
and today, Christians have made Jesus into the Roman killer the Jews wanted