justify war
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ShadowMaid
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Well, God doesn't control our life directly, or tell us when to die and all that jazz.
But God did set some requirements or responsibility, and one of them is to protect your family. So if a dude is trying to kill your family you're supposed to kill him.
And we don't listen to just Jesus, there's a whole Bible with the rest of God's word.
elected4ever
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Spare the rod and spoil the child. You are part of the reason we have such selfish children these days.
brother Willi
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are you really now?
if it was legal to kill, would you???
you are to live as Jesus taught.
NOT AS MAN TEACHES
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I didn't say anything about smackin' 'em.
Have you ever corrected your children in any way? If you have then by your own argument, you were wrong because you can't prove that it was ok for you to do so using only the words of Jesus.
Have you ever listened to Christian Contemporary Music? If you have then you were wrong because you can't prove it's ok using only the words of Jesus.
elected4ever
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Yes I would if the situation called for it.
brother Willi
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tell me of my kids, PLEASE!!!
i was never hit once
brother Willi
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did Jesus correct?
YEP
did he use violence?
NOPE
who are the "vipers" Jesus spoke of???
brother Willi
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then you would kill yourself, to save yourself.
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brother Willi
e4e --- You are a moron:freak:
e4e --- You are a moron:freak:
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Jesus never said it was ok for parents to correct their children.
I seem to remember Him being a tad bit ticked, creating a ruckus because some greedy money makers were abusing His Father's house.
brother Willi
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thank you.
you plan your wars, have fun
DONT DO IT IN THE NAME OF JESUS!
brother Willi
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did Jesus correct?
wait you answered that yourself right here
look at his life, read his words.
did Jesus correct?
YEP
did he preach peace or violence?
PEACE
will he know you?
did you live your life by his example?
think REAL hard now.
what of the wheat and tares again??
brother Willi
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do you understand what i meant?
ShadowMaid
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There's a difference in cruelty, defense and discipline.
God gave us the choice, on whether to be responsible or not.
If a thief brakes into a house, that's cruelty, if the owner of the house shoots him to protect his family and himself, that's defense. The owner of the house's God given responsibility is to defend his family.
If you spank a child because they accidentally stepped on your foot, that's cruelty, if you spank a child because they told you "no" in rebellion, then that's discipline.
God gave us the choice, on whether to be responsible or not.
If a thief brakes into a house, that's cruelty, if the owner of the house shoots him to protect his family and himself, that's defense. The owner of the house's God given responsibility is to defend his family.
If you spank a child because they accidentally stepped on your foot, that's cruelty, if you spank a child because they told you "no" in rebellion, then that's discipline.
elected4ever
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brother Willi
e4e --- I am glad that you recognized this truth any way and agree your a moron.
brother Willi
e4e ---I have never planed a war and wars are never fun. You are even more stupid than I though.
brother Willi
e4e --- I leave that to nut cases like you.:zakath:
e4e --- I am glad that you recognized this truth any way and agree your a moron.
brother Willi
e4e ---I have never planed a war and wars are never fun. You are even more stupid than I though.
brother Willi
e4e --- I leave that to nut cases like you.:zakath:
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Matthew 5:1
When Jesus saw the crowds, He went up on the mountain; and after He sat down, His disciples came to Him.
Matthew 5:2
He opened His mouth and began to teach them, saying,
Matthew 5:3
"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:4
"Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
Matthew 5:5
"Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.
Matthew 5:6
"Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
Matthew 5:7
"Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
Matthew 5:8
"Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
Matthew 5:9
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
Matthew 5:10
"Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:11
"Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.
Matthew 5:12
"Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Matthew 5:13
"You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has become tasteless, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled under foot by men.
Matthew 5:14
"You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden;
Matthew 5:15
nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house.
Matthew 5:16
"Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
Matthew 5:18
"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Matthew 5:19
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:20
"For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:21
"You have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.'
Matthew 5:22
"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.
Matthew 5:23
"Therefore if you are presenting your offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you,
Matthew 5:24
leave your offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your offering.
Matthew 5:25
"Make friends quickly with your opponent at law while you are with him on the way, so that your opponent may not hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the officer, and you be thrown into prison.
Matthew 5:26
"Truly I say to you, you will not come out of there until you have paid up the last cent.
Matthew 5:27
"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY';
Matthew 5:28
but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Matthew 5:29
"If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Matthew 5:30
"If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.
Matthew 5:31
"It was said, 'WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE';
Matthew 5:32
but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Matthew 5:33
"Again, you have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR VOWS TO THE LORD.'
Matthew 5:34
"But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God,
Matthew 5:35
or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or by Jerusalem, for it is THE CITY OF THE GREAT KING.
Matthew 5:36
"Nor shall you make an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black.
Matthew 5:37
"But let your statement be, 'Yes, yes' or 'No, no'; anything beyond these is of evil.
Matthew 5:38
"You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.'
Matthew 5:39
"But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
Matthew 5:40
"If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.
Matthew 5:41
"Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two.
Matthew 5:42
"Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.
Matthew 5:43
"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.'
Matthew 5:44
"But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
Matthew 5:45
so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
Matthew 5:46
"For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
Matthew 5:47
"If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?
Matthew 5:48
"Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
When Jesus saw the crowds, He went up on the mountain; and after He sat down, His disciples came to Him.
Matthew 5:2
He opened His mouth and began to teach them, saying,
Matthew 5:3
"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:4
"Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
Matthew 5:5
"Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.
Matthew 5:6
"Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
Matthew 5:7
"Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
Matthew 5:8
"Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
Matthew 5:9
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
Matthew 5:10
"Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:11
"Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.
Matthew 5:12
"Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Matthew 5:13
"You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has become tasteless, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled under foot by men.
Matthew 5:14
"You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden;
Matthew 5:15
nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house.
Matthew 5:16
"Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
Matthew 5:18
"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Matthew 5:19
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:20
"For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:21
"You have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.'
Matthew 5:22
"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.
Matthew 5:23
"Therefore if you are presenting your offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you,
Matthew 5:24
leave your offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your offering.
Matthew 5:25
"Make friends quickly with your opponent at law while you are with him on the way, so that your opponent may not hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the officer, and you be thrown into prison.
Matthew 5:26
"Truly I say to you, you will not come out of there until you have paid up the last cent.
Matthew 5:27
"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY';
Matthew 5:28
but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Matthew 5:29
"If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Matthew 5:30
"If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.
Matthew 5:31
"It was said, 'WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE';
Matthew 5:32
but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Matthew 5:33
"Again, you have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR VOWS TO THE LORD.'
Matthew 5:34
"But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God,
Matthew 5:35
or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or by Jerusalem, for it is THE CITY OF THE GREAT KING.
Matthew 5:36
"Nor shall you make an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black.
Matthew 5:37
"But let your statement be, 'Yes, yes' or 'No, no'; anything beyond these is of evil.
Matthew 5:38
"You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.'
Matthew 5:39
"But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
Matthew 5:40
"If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.
Matthew 5:41
"Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two.
Matthew 5:42
"Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.
Matthew 5:43
"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.'
Matthew 5:44
"But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
Matthew 5:45
so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
Matthew 5:46
"For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
Matthew 5:47
"If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?
Matthew 5:48
"Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
brother Willi
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Matthew 5:38
"You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.'
Matthew 5:39
"But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
Matthew 5:40
"If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.
Matthew 5:41
"Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two.
Matthew 5:42
"Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.
Matthew 5:43
"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.'
Matthew 5:44
"But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
Matthew 5:45
so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
Matthew 5:46
"For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
Matthew 5:47
"If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?
Matthew 5:48
"Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
"You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.'
Matthew 5:39
"But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
Matthew 5:40
"If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.
Matthew 5:41
"Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two.
Matthew 5:42
"Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.
Matthew 5:43
"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.'
Matthew 5:44
"But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
Matthew 5:45
so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
Matthew 5:46
"For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
Matthew 5:47
"If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?
Matthew 5:48
"Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
elected4ever
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So?