Sorry, but they are my own words/research
If you can get them to re-open My Trinity Talk thread that had over 2000 post... the one that converted so many Trinitarians like you to see the truth... the one that it was deleted several years ago because of this fact... then I could cite the sources... But they won't do that!
You think I'm new here?
So... Now that you that you failed to change the topic.... what was the in error in my post?
What was Biblically incorrect in my post?
Paul
1. If those were your words, they were words from another time and place that didn't respond to the post in question. As such they might as well have been from someone else because they weren't applicable. The point I addressed was that the use of the word "man"
does not mean that the subject is neither God nor angel. Proof was provided.
2. "
... the one that converted so many Trinitarians like yourself to see the truth?" leaves me rather skeptical of your ability to gauge the topic at hand. I'll grant respect if you can correct what you can discern (and correct) what you might have said wrong within that statement.
3. You were changing the subject (as to the implications or lack thereof from the word "man"). But if you want a critique of the rest of that cut-and-paste non-answer, yes, there were errors.
"To say that the Messiah is God Himself is to contradict the whole point of this prophecy.
For it announces that the ultimate spokesman for God is expressly not God but a human being"
The
point of the prophecy was not that the prophet would not be God, but rather that he would not speak with the "voice of the LORD" that shook mountains and the "great fire" that frightened them to fear of death.
In addition, Jehovah God says clearly that he is not a man (
Numbers 23:19; Job 9:32). The converse is therefore true: if a person is a man, then he can not be God.
Taking these passages out of context will result in error, as is already demonstrated from the previous passages where God if called a man when he visited Abraham. Further example of the error of your "man is not God is not a man" interpretation is found where God visited Jacob in the night and wrestled with him.
Genesis 32:24 KJV
(24) And Jacob was left alone;
and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.
Genesis 32:30 KJV
(30) And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel:
for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
Whatever your interpretation may be, it was not shared by Jacob, nor by Moses who wrote the account concerning Abraham,
That said, I am not interested in pulling apart thousands of pages of your previous posts. I would be content if you would deal with the point at hand concerning the integrity of your specific argument. "Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God" is not a valid argument against the Christ's identity. It is a way of referring to the real person they would recognize.
As for Peter speaking to the actual and ultimate identity of Jesus beyond his mere introduction, look here:
Acts 2:32-35 KJV
(32)
This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
(33)
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
(34)
For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
(35) Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
Why is it important that he tells them that David is not ascended to heaven? Because David himself prophesied of one who would ascend to heaven, and this Jesus is He who ascended. See Psalm 22, Psalm 23, and finally Psalm 24. This King of Glory who ascends to the hill of the LORD, who receives the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation, this King of Glory is the LORD of Hosts.
Psalms 24:1-10 KJV
(1) A Psalm of David.
The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.
(2) For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods.
(3)
Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place?
(4) He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully.
(5)
He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation.
(6) This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face, O Jacob. Selah.
(7) Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
(8)
Who is this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle.
(9) Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
(10)
Who is this King of glory? The LORD of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah.
And if we needed any more identification of the LORD of Hosts and the King of Glory, we are also told that this is the creator of the world and the seas. "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." (John 1:3).
Plainly speaking, an argument that "man" means "not God" rather than "found in fashion as a man" (Php 2:8) runs into problems when compared against other scripture.
Philippians 2:6-11 KJV
(6)
Who,
being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
(7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
(8)
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
(9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
(10)
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
(11)
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
... which is Paul's interpretation of this passage from Isaiah....
Isaiah 45:21-23 KJV
(21) Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD?
and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
(22)
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth:
for I am God, and there is none else.
(23) I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return,
That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Paul considered the name and title of Jesus Christ as interchangeable with God
in the context of "
there is no God beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me." Paul was not Unitarian; no Unitarian speaks that way.
