John 17: 3

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You really need to stop mixing what God calls us to separate.
So, it's a good thing to be deceived by the devil? The promises of God are not for all of us? How about this one?

1Corinthians 1: 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Is that a good reason to allow ourselves to be deceived when we know Jesus is made unto us wisdom? Isn't the wisdom of God enough to keep us from being deceived? I'd say if we're still being deceived we don't have much faith in God or His wisdom and we are not claiming His promises because we don't really believe Him or His promises.
 

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The promises of God are not for all of us?
Why don't you believe the Bible? It says they are not.

24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

1Corinthians 1: 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
Paul is speaking to non-Jews here. This doesn't make your case in any way. Why are we called joint-heirs? That isn't rhetorical.
Isn't the wisdom of God enough to keep us from being deceived?
It is obvious you do not have the wisdom of God. You are ordered to divide the word of truth (the gospel) and you reject it.
 

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fzappa13 this post is for you. You said you have a good friend who is a SDA and so am I. The following verse is probably the most important verse in all of scripture as it completely explains the concept of righteousness by faith. This concept is also found throughout Ellen Whites writings. The church rejected this truth in 1888 and is now showing signs of beginning to find acceptance again within the church. Ifr a person doesn't accept this truth the only thing left to them is legalism so your friend may be stuck in it. I know a lot of SDA who are,

John 17: 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

[*StrongsGreek*]
01097
γινώσκω ginṓskō, ghin-oce'-ko
a prolonged form of a primary verb;
to "know" (absolutely) in a great variety of applications and with many implications (as follow, with others not thus clearly expressed):--allow, be aware (of), feel, (have) know(-ledge), perceived, be resolved, can speak, be sure, understand.

Here are a couple of quotes from Ellen White's writings. This first one is from her book Steps to Christ p. 47.



Many are inquiring, “How am I to make the surrender of myself
to God?” You desire to give yourself to Him, but you are weak in
moral power, in slavery to doubt, and controlled by the habits of your
life of sin. Your promises and resolutions are like ropes of sand. You
cannot control your thoughts, your impulses, your affections. The
knowledge of your broken promises and forfeited pledges weakens
your confidence in your own sincerity, and causes you to feel that
God cannot accept you; but you need not despair. What you need to
understand is the true force of the will. This is the governing power
in the nature of man, the power of decision, or of choice. Everything
depends on the right action of the will. The power of choice God
has given to men; it is theirs to exercise. You cannot change your
heart, you cannot of yourself give to God its affections; but you can
choose to serve Him. You can give Him your will; He will then
work in you to will and to do according to His good pleasure. Thus
your whole nature will be brought under the control of the Spirit of
Christ; your affections will be centered upon Him, your thoughts
will be in harmony with Him.



This second quote is from Desire of Ages p. 668.


All true obedience comes from the heart. It was heart work with
Christ. And if we consent, He will so identify Himself with our
thoughts and aims, so blend our hearts and minds into conformity to
His will, that when obeying Him we shall be but carrying out our
own impulses. The will, refined and sanctified, will find its highest
delight in doing His service. When we know God as it is our privilege
to know Him, our life will be a life of continual obedience. Through
an appreciation of the character of Christ, through communion with
God, sin will become hateful to us.
As Christ lived the law in humanity, so we may do if we will
take hold of the Strong for strength. But we are not to place the
responsibility of our duty upon others, and wait for them to tell us
what to do. We cannot depend for counsel upon humanity. The Lord
will teach us our duty just as willingly as He will teach somebody
else. If we come to Him in faith, He will speak His mysteries to us
personally. Our hearts will often burn within us as One draws nigh
to commune with us as He did with Enoch. Those who decide to
do nothing in any line that will displease God, will know, after pre-
senting their case before Him, just what course to pursue. And they
will receive not only wisdom, but strength. Power for obedience, for
service, will be imparted to them, as Christ has promised. Whatever
was given to Christ—the “all things” to supply the need of fallen
men—was given to Him as the head and representative of humanity.
And “whatsoever we ask, we receive of Him, because we keep His
commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.”
1 John 3:22.



Does this give you a different view of SDAs and Ellen White? If it does your friend is still stuck in legalism
Did you break down John 17:3? 2 major points taught there by Jesus--He tells all--the one who sent him= Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
And that the only true God sent him-means-God did not come down here, he sent another.
This is a major teaching few understand. Many claim to follow Jesus but FEW on earth even know his teachings correctly.
 

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Did you break down John 17:3? 2 major points taught there by Jesus--He tells all--the one who sent him= Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
And that the only true God sent him-means-God did not come down here, he sent another.
This is a major teaching few understand. Many claim to follow Jesus but FEW on earth even know his teachings correctly.

This horse has been beaten to death and beyond.

Please go read through the "Jesus is God" thread.
 

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This horse has been beaten to death and beyond.

Please go read through the "Jesus is God" thread.
Its a major teaching from Jesus--can you hear him? It means eternal life to know his Father as the only true God. Satan has 99% beat living now from centuries ago. They believe dogma over Jesus. Or don't even know Jesus. There are 4 different Jesus' being taught on earth. 1 is real. All his true followers believe him.
 

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Its a major teaching from Jesus--can you hear him? It means eternal life to know his Father as the only true God. Satan has 99% beat living now from centuries ago. They believe dogma over Jesus. Or don't even know Jesus. There are 4 different Jesus' being taught on earth. 1 is real. All his true followers believe him.

Same ol' same ol'.

Again, go read the thread. I'll wait.
 

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Did you break down John 17:3? 2 major points taught there by Jesus--He tells all--the one who sent him= Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
And that the only true God sent him-means-God did not come down here, he sent another.
This is a major teaching few understand. Many claim to follow Jesus but FEW on earth even know his teachings correctly.

no need, fact is fact.

The fact is, Jesus was not denying being God.

The fact is, Jesus was sent by His Father, showing a healthy relationship between Himself and His Father.

The fact is, you claim to understand, but you do not.

The fact is, Jesus is God.

The fact is, you do need to go read through that thread, because you're literally making all the same arguments that have been made hundreds of times already that have all been refuted hundreds of times.
 

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The fact is, Jesus was not denying being God.

The fact is, Jesus was sent by His Father, showing a healthy relationship between Himself and His Father.

The fact is, you claim to understand, but you do not.

The fact is, Jesus is God.

The fact is, you do need to go read through that thread, because you're literally makingn all the same arguments that have been made hundreds of times already that have all been refuted hundreds of times.
What don't you and hundreds of religions( a house divided will not stand) claiming to be christian not understand about-The one who sent Jesus= Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
 

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What don't you and hundreds of religions( a house divided will not stand) claiming to be christian not understand about-The one who sent Jesus= Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
What the Bible says: "The Father is the only true God".
What the Bible does NOT say: "Only the Father is the true God".
 

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What the Bible says: "The Father is the only true God".
What the Bible does NOT say: "Only the Father is the true God".
that makes 0 sense. its not 1+1=2 that is for sure.
Paul backed Jesus' words-1Cor 8:6-There is ONE God to all the Father)---not Father, son and holy spirit.
 

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that makes 0 sense.
It makes perfect sense. It's you that's the problem.
its not 1+1=2 that is for sure.
Paul backed Jesus' words-1Cor 8:6-There is ONE God to all the Father)---not Father, son and holy spirit.
You are confused. There is ONE God in THREE Persons.

The Father is God.
The Son is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.

ONE God.

Become a Christian and know this truth.
 

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It makes perfect sense. It's you that's the problem.

You are confused. There is ONE God in THREE Persons.

The Father is God.
The Son is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.

ONE God.

Become a Christian and know this truth.
Paul inspired by God said--There is one God to all the Father..Believe me when ones teachers don't match Jesus and Gods bible writers--RUN FROM THEM, they are these-2Cor 11:12-15)

No matter what your teachers say, its 100% undeniable fact, the God Israel served in the bible = the Abrahamic God= a single being God= YHWH(Jehovah)
 

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Paul inspired by God said--There is one God to all the Father..
You are trying to force your interpretation on the scripture.
The Bible does NOT say that ONLY the Father is God.
Believe me when ones teachers don't match Jesus and Gods bible writers--RUN FROM THEM, they are these-2Cor 11:12-15)
I'll stick with the scripture, which teaches a triune Godhead.
No matter what your teachers say,
My "teacher" is the Bible.
its 100% undeniable fact, the God Israel served in the bible = the Abrahamic God= a single being God= YHWH(Jehovah)
Indeed, one God in three Persons.
 

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You are trying to force your interpretation on the scripture.
The Bible does NOT say that ONLY the Father is God.

I'll stick with the scripture, which teaches a triune Godhead.

My "teacher" is the Bible.

Indeed, one God in three Persons.
Israel to this day serves a single being God, they NEVER served God as triune--They served the true God.
Recorded facts of history=Catholicism added the holy spirit to a triune godhead in 381 ce at the council of Constantinople. No trinity was served prior by a single true follower of the true God, nor after. This rose up starting in the 2nd century=2Thess 2:3--they screwed it all up by satans will. Satan beat 99% living today centuries ago.
 

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Israel to this day serves a single being God, they NEVER served God as triune--
False.
They served the true God.
Who is three in one.
Recorded facts of history=Catholicism added the holy spirit to a triune godhead in 381 ce at the council of Constantinople.
The Godhead is described as triune throughout the scripture.
No trinity was served prior by a single true follower of the true God, nor after.
You are wrong. It's just that simple.
This rose up starting in the 2nd century=2Thess 2:3--they screwed it all up by satans will. Satan beat 99% living today centuries ago.
False.
 

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False.

Who is three in one.

The Godhead is described as triune throughout the scripture.

You are wrong. It's just that simple.

False.
Every Jewish person on earth will tell you God is a single being God. Paul disagrees with you and your teachers-1Cor 8:5-6- first he warns all other Gods are false then tells all of creation who God is= There is ONE God to all, the Father. At Isaiah 40:26 God is called-HE, not we. Gen 1:27 the creator= HE , not we. Isaiah 44:6 This is what Jehovah has said, the King of Israel and the repurchaser of him. Jehovah of hosts( armies) , I am the first and the last and besides-ME( NOT WE) there is no other God.
 

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Every Jewish person on earth will tell you God is a single being God.
I believe God's Word and not what "Every Jewish person on earth will tell me". Most are unbelievers anyway.
Paul disagrees with you and your teachers-1Cor 8:5-6- first he warns all other Gods are false then tells all of creation who God is= There is ONE God to all, the Father.
Your interpretation is wrong.

It seem that you think that the Father is not Lord.
At Isaiah 40:26 God is called-HE, not we.
The word "he" is not even in the Hebrew text.

Did you miss this?

Gen 1:26 (AKJV/PCE)​
(1:26) ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.​

Gen 1:27 the creator= HE , not we. Isaiah 44:6 This is what Jehovah has said, the King of Israel and the repurchaser of him. Jehovah of hosts( armies) , I am the first and the last and besides-ME( NOT WE) there is no other God.
It appears that you belong to a cult (JW).

Gen 11:5-9 (AKJV/PCE)​
(11:5) And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. (11:6) And the LORD said, Behold, the people [is] one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. (11:7) Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. (11:8) So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. (11:9) Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.​
 
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I believe God's Word and not what "Every Jewish person on earth will tell me". Most are unbelievers anyway.

Your interpretation is wrong.

It seem that you think that the Father is not Lord.

The word "he" is not even in the Hebrew text.

Did you miss this?

Gen 1:26 (AKJV/PCE)​
(1:26) ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.​


It appears that you belong to a cult (JW).

Gen 11:5-9 (AKJV/PCE)​
(11:5) And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. (11:6) And the LORD said, Behold, the people [is] one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. (11:7) Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. (11:8) So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. (11:9) Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.​
Gen 1:27--HE created, not we.
Let us= Jehovah and his master worker( Prov 8:30) = the one who was beside God during creation process. He calls the creator-HE( not we) at Prov 8
Things were created-THROUGH Jesus( Col 1:15-16)--that means another did the creating=HE alone has the power and wisdom to create= God=Jehovah.
 

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Gen 1:27--HE created, not we.
Let us= Jehovah and his master worker( Prov 8:30) = the one who was beside God during creation process. He calls the creator-HE( not we) at Prov 8
Things were created-THROUGH Jesus( Col 1:15-16)--that means another did the creating=HE alone has the power and wisdom to create= God=Jehovah.
Jesus created all things... that is what Paul says.

Col 1:14-20 (AKJV/PCE)​
(1:14) In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins: (1:15) Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: (1:16) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: (1:17) And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. (1:18) And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence. (1:19) For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell; (1:20) And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.​
This is the FULLNESS that Paul is talking about:
Col 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)​
(2:8) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Jesus is God.

P.S. Are you ready to come clean yet? Are you a Jehovah's Witness?
P.P.S. I can tell already, but I'm giving you the chance to be honest about it.
 
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