JESUS IS NOT YHWH
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Lon
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No it isn't. It is "What you did."
Your use of words like "Daqqism" is nothing more than an excuse for you to ignore, disregard, and not believe the scripture which is posted. You seek to divide the faithful from the Word which and whom they love and quote. This you do because you know you cannot get away with openly rejecting the Testimony of the Messiah whom you claim to know but reject. Please stop making it about "YOU and me" and try to start discussing the scriptures which are posted. Such tactics only serve to derail threads. When you do such things you force me and others to respond in kind, ("you, you, you, me, me, me").
But TOL is not necessarily an official discussion forum sponsored by a particular religious denomination, cult or tradition, as far as I know, even if it might have association/affiliation with Denver Bible Church. It is much more liberal, eclectic and all-inclusive than a JW discussion forum would be, at least I assume that much unless I learn otherwise. Plus the 'Religion' section here on TOL ('Theology would include all kinds of theology, not just 'Christian' per se)...is for discussion on all 'religious subjects, philosophy, cultures, traditions, psychology, etc.
Religion sub-heading:
Note it includes discussion on all religions and related subjects. My own threads and some main subjects I've contributed over the years is cataloged here. - its been very diverse, and I may begin a new thread soon in my usual free liberal explorative creative dialogue fashion, just being 'freelight'. Its all about expanding consciousness, exploring new dimensions, pioneering forward into new and interesting topics. This has always been freelight's forte
You have your own ECT (Exclusively Christian Theology) section (This forum is exclusively for those who consider themselves Christian and consider the Bible to be the inspired word of God).... if you want to stick to Bible only or within a traditional-standard Christian Theological context.
HERE however we have free reign to discuss religious subjects, metaphysics, philosophy, psychology, whatever as long as we respect forum rules and guidelines. It would seem a welcome engagement to dialogue from other religious viewpoints and perspectives, to broaden and integrate one's horizons.
Daqq kind of poked the bear... and now he can't fess up to it... just saying... It's kind of funny... I wouldn't expect Daqq to stand up straight anyhow... It's all dipp, dodge, duck ... "victim card".
Yup... I just said that.
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Daqq... this came in the mail for you today...
"you, you, you, me, me, me" . . .
Spoiler Alert...
John 1:1 ... me... I believe it.
you.. duh... "a god" and actually ... the Torah became flesh
John 10:30 ..me... I believe it.
..you.. duh... that has nothing to do with Deut. 6:4
Revelation of Jesus Christ... me... Jesus is the Alpha and Omega
you.. Duh... Angel of ... duh
Isaiah 9:6 ...me... Yup
...you.. Duh... I need to re translate that to "fix" it.
This thread was derailed the second it's title was chosen.
Lon
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Matthew 5:7 Do you love THAT scripture? :think: Matthew 5:37?
If you had read the scripture which was posted, and understood it and believed it, you would not have likened yourself and your comrades to a bear; for in that you do speak truly, that is, a she-bear robbed of her cubs, (and a four headed leopard with four wings in its curve is next, lol).
You're totally the kid saying "go forth baldy"... just saying...
L-O-L to the 1,000,000th power... and .... are you we-tod-it?
How does John 10:30 not go together with Deut. 6:4 like Peanut butter and jelly?
Daqq... Duh... victim card, and nonsense
Your real problem Lon is that your religion is challenged and you do not like it.
You really do not own the truth, the Bible, or anything when it comes down to it.
So just sit back and enjoy life for a change knowing that you have the same responsibility like everyone else. Not greater or lesser.
Mic 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
Psa 50:20 Thou sittest and speakest against thy brother; thou slanderest thine own mother's son.
Psa 50:21 These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes.
Psa 50:22 Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver.
Psa 50:23 Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.
EE take note.
LA
Another original showstopper from LA. "To be read in monotone voice"
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John 10:30... John 1:1 ... wait... all of John's works... including Revelations...
LA... when you form complete sentences... I'm amazed.
Lon
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See, this is just brainwashing. I have no idea where you guys pull these odd little trinkets from, always from left field and having nothing to do with the discussion. Is it brainwashing? Do they say this repeatedly from the podium? Where in the world would you get such an idea?
I know that your yes is supposed to be yes, and if you lie, it shows what is in your soul. I know that.
Not really the website for that, is it? Find me a website with palm trees, iced tea and a hammock and I'll come join you there. We'll both take it easy and enjoy pictures of what God has made (I have a thread like that here on TOL, worth the time imho. I'll try to figure out how to get an Iced Tea in your hand).
Boom! I agree with you: Do justly. Matthew 5:37. Btw, I've never had you on ignore. You are just sticking up for the wrong guy imho.
You and I don't agree and stubbornly so YET, we know how to let things go. Daqq has been sour from the day he arrived. He has a lot of anger and hate and never changes it up from person to person. People don't deserve to be thrown into hell as if they are disagreeing with God, simply because they disagree with him.
Yep, I agree. He has told many on TOL they are going to hell for disagreeing with him. Me? I simply said he broke his word and called me "Legion." Now, apparently a 4 headed leopard. Why? :idunno: That one is about a nation in the book of Daniel :idunno: "LOL" I guess... :idunno:
I didn't think you were silent :idunno: I would that you'd reprove the right person though.
I haven't forgotten my word. You've never "torn me to pieces." :idunno: Wouldn't you rather be correcting Daqq for calling me Legion and breaking his word to ignore me and not stab me behind my back???
This is a thread that doesn't seek to glorify, and I didn't make it. It is yet another thread that offers contention and, on purpose.
As far as conversation, my yes is yes, my no is no. I was happily ignoring him and he was gone into the depths of my ignore list with no thought of breaking my promise to leave him alone as he agreed to leave me alone. He started this and against his word not to do so. All I've done is shown that he broke his word, and in so doing backstabbed where I'd not even have known it, blissfully, if another hadn't drawn my attention.
If our word is no good, are we trustworthy people? Do you want a friend you cannot trust, let alone a supposed enemy? He treats people who don't agree with him like garbage on TOL, time and time again. He continually relegates everyone who is not Unitarian to hell's trash bin with relish, no exceptions. Is that who you want to be defending? Or confronting? Do right, LA correct those among you who do this all wrong. -Lon
How do you still not see where my assurance actually comes from? My assurance is in the Testimony of the Messiah whom you claim to know. How is it you cannot understand the Logos reasoning of his teachings? :nono:
Not true, about John 1:1, and I have many times given my understanding:
You also responded in that thread so you have no excuse for lying.
I also believe John 10:30 but have shown you many times how it correlates to the prayer of the Master for all of us to be one with him just as he is one with the Father in the whole prayer in John 17, but specifically John 17:20-23, which you have openly rejected because it proves that the Master-Teacher and the Father are not the same "person".
Again, we have discussed this, and you did not respond:
So your answer is, "Yes"?
Your heavenly Father intimately knows evil?
My fathers rendered the Hebrew text of the Torah into the Greek Septuagint some three hundred years before the advent of my Messiah; and my Apostolic fathers quoted from that same Septuagint in many places in the Apostolic writings. Your mother and fathers changed it and have reinterpreted it to suit your dogmas. I simply showed you what it was before your mother and fathers came along. But why do you and yours always need to make everything about "you-vs-me"? There is already plenty more to discuss in this thread besides "you-vs-me" unless, of course, you cannot help but talk about yourself all the time by way of comparing others to yourself? Is that not what you do when you judge? Yes, not only do you put yourself in the place of Messiah the Judge but you judge others against your own image of yourself whenever you judge. This is not about me so please find another thread to go argue in if you cannot help talking about "you-vs-me" or anyone else.
Says ΙΑΩΑ Elohim the Almighty: I am the ΩΑ
Isaiah 41:4, 43:10, 43:13, 46:4, 48:12, 52:6, (אני הוא [1QIsaa — אני הואה])
See also Trigrammaton: 4Q120, Codex Marchalianus, Vat.Gr.2125
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4Q120
They were clearly reading the waw|vav as omega even before the advent of Meshiah.
But as I said, not really worth arguing over: to each his own I suppose.
Shalom-Peace.
Isaiah 9:6 ...me... Yup
...you.. Duh... I need to re translate that to "fix" it.
This thread was derailed the second it's title was chosen.
Nope, the Young's Literal Bible fully supports what I have said about the passage:
Isaiah 9:6 YLT
6 For a Child hath been born to us, A Son hath been given to us, And the princely power is on his shoulder, And He doth call his name Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace.
And when I tried to show you WHY that translation is correct, (for the third or fourth time), you and your comrades called me and those like me cockroaches for even responding to your quoting of the passage:
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What kind of people quote Isaiah 9:6 and then accuse others who respond to it of being roaches? As I said, you and yours are sick, and some of you are very clearly closet psychopaths.
Originally Posted by Evil.Eye.<(I)>
Spoiler Alert...
John 1:1 ... me... I believe it.
you.. duh... "a god" and actually ... the Torah became flesh
Oh yeah, almost forgot to answer, (again), the red highlighted portion:
Yes, Genesis is part of the Torah, (it is all one scroll as you no doubt already know). But also Stephen says that the Torah given to Moses contains the living oracles, sayings, Words of the Father, and therefore the Torah is the Living Word of the Father.
Acts 7:37-38
37 This is that Moses, who said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall Elohim raise up unto you from among your brethren, like unto me.
38 This is he that was in the congregation in the wilderness with the Angel that spoke to him in the Mount Sinai, and with our fathers: who received living oracles [λογια ζωντα - "Living Logia-Words"] to give unto us:
Romans 3:1-2
1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what is the profit of circumcision?
2 Much every way: first of all, that they were entrusted with the oracles [λογια] of Elohim.
No doubt the Torah was considered by the Apostles to be the Living Word of Elohim.
(Though some could say this concerns "oral tradition" that would be a serious problem here).
Oh yeah, almost forgot, from this very thread:
By the way, you never answered to the Bar-Jesus son of Jesus word sorcerer analogy provided by the scripture, which again refutes your false doctrine; for when you say that, "Jesus is YHWH", you by default confess that, "Jesus is the Father", because everyone knows that YHWH is our heavenly Father according to manifold passages in the Torah, Prophets, and Writings, (all of Tanakh or the "Old Testament"). Thus when you say that, "Jesus is YHWH", you by default confess that you agree with the false teachings and theology of Bar-Jesus son of Jesus the word sorcerer: for he is the false prophet spirit of a particular teaching, that is, "Jesus is my Father", for his very name means, "Son of Jesus", ("Bar" is simply Aramaic for "Son").
Oh yeah, and by the way, Evil.Eye, "Bar-Jesus" is not only a false prophet word sorcery spirit but one of the anthropon-manfaced which we have already discussed herein; those which can "creep in unawares" while you are feasting in the word if you are not careful and do not do as admonished in testing or trying the spirits, (by way of the Word), just as the Master, and the Elder, and Paul, and Jude, and Enoch have all warned you. :chuckle:
EE,
The one of John 10:30 is not the one of --
Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
LA
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