Jesus is the Father come as a son of man.
God came as a man.
Jesus is the Father come as a son of man, no scripture states or expresses this, scripture overwhelming has Jesus as separate from the Father, at Jesus baptism God could be heard saying "This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved", this would be impossible if Jesus was the Father come as man, your idea contradicts the bible. Should we go back to discussing who Jesus was speaking to when he asked for the cup to pass from him or who Jesus was speaking to when addressing the Father on the cross?
It is insane for you to say they were separate and different when Jesus says the Father is in him and he in the Father. Does that sound separate to you?
Jesus says he ONLY says what the Father says, and he only does what the Father does. Jesus says when you see him you can say you see the Father. Does that sound different to you?
Again it Jesus being in the Father and the Father being in Jesus is metaphorical language, you understand them being in each other as proof Jesus is the Father, yet
John 17:21 has Jesus saying "Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us", do followers of Christ being "one in them" make them the Father or Jesus? If your answer is no then you must also admit that Jesus being "in" the Father does not necessitate that Jesus literally is the Father, your argument must be consistent.
Why would Jesus not simply come out and say "I am the Father" instead of "I speak all the things of the father". I take Jesus words to mean what they say and not to have a secret hidden meaning behind them, Jesus came in the Father name meaning he came on behalf of the father as his representative and messager, thus his words were the Fathers words but only in a figurative sense. If Jesus was the Father come as man, and to see Jesus was to see the Father then why would his followers state
"Not that any man has seen the Father, except the one who is from God; this one has seen the Father", your understanding does not fall in line with the rest of scripture, moreover how has Jesus seen the Father? The language is clearly expressing that Jesus himself is NOT the Father, hence the reason he's able to see him.
You say Jesus was an angel and the Bible tells us God didn’t send an angel as His only begotten son.
When have I said Jesus is an angel, please show me.
Where does the bible tell us God didn’t send an angel as His only begotten son?
NWL said:
How can Jesus hand of the kingdom to the Father is he is the father?
God's Truth said:
He can because He came as a son of man.
Your answer gives no explanation but is rather a statement of faith. Nothing in
"He can because He came as a son of man" explains how Jesus is able to hand things to the Father if he himself is the Father.
Please explain how Jesus coming as the "son of man" explains him being able to hand things to the Father if he himself is the Father?
NWL said:
Why does it state God puts all enemies under Jesus feet if Jesus is the God who puts all enemies under his feat, how can God subject all things to Jesus if Jesus already has all things subjected to him by being able to subject all things to himself??
God's Truth said:
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Your answer gives no explanation but is rather a statement of faith. Nothing in
"God came as a man" explains how "God puts all enemies under Jesus feet if Jesus is the God who puts all enemies under his feet and how can God subject all things to Jesus if Jesus already has all things subjected to him by being able to subject all things to himself".
Please explain how your statement "God came as a man" explains God putting all enemies under Jesus feet if Jesus is the God who puts all enemies under his feet and how can God subject all things to Jesus if Jesus already has all things subjected to him by being able to subject all things to himself?
You can't see that your scarcely answer my question honestly or properly, your answers are no better than the answer of "purple".
NWL said:
How can Jesus subject himself to himself?
God's Truth said:
God came as a man; He came in the flesh and experienced life as a man for us.
Another statement of faith rather than answering my question.
Your answer of
"God came as a man; He came in the flesh and experienced life as a man for us" nowhere explains how Jesus can subject himself to himself, please elaborate further. I cannot fathom how you think these are acceptable answers to the questions, its mind-boggling.
It doesn’t say Peter knew his heart. You can’t just make up things. You need to be more careful.
Does Paul say "Why have you thought up such a deed as this in your heart", yes or no? If your answer is yes then how did Paul know this?
There is only one scripture that says there is someone who is a King of kings over all the kings of the earth, and it is Jesus, and of course, God.
The phrase in question is "king of kings", it doesn't matter what it is over, you made a claim that Jesus having the titles of God makes him God, the bible however uses the same titles in regards to others, I have shown this multiple times with multiple examples (elohim, king of kings, savior, anointed one), it doesn't matter what the title context pertains to but simply that others have the title. Jesus being King over the earth does not prove he is God, he kingship relates to the throne of David and nothing else, the kingship of David was the kingship by which all nations would get their blessing from.
2 Samuel 7:11-16 "..even from the day that I commanded judges to be over My people Israel; and I will give you rest from all your enemies The LORD also declares to you that the LORD will make a house for you. "When your days are complete and you lie down with your fathers, I will raise up your descendant after you, who will come forth from you, and I will establish his kingdom. "He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.."I will be a father to him and he will be a son to Me; when he commits iniquity, I will correct him with the rod of men and the strokes of the sons of men, but My lovingkindness shall not depart from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. "Your house and your kingdom shall endure before Me forever; your throne shall be established forever..."
The kingship of David through as a descendant of Abraham which entailed the blessing of the Abrahamic convent details that Davids kingship would last forever and give blessing to all mankind, Jesus is thus a king over the earth to this degree as he sits on the throne and kingship of David.
(Isaiah 9:6, 7) "..For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. 7 To the increase of his rulership And to peace, there will be no end, On the throne of David and on his kingdom In order to establish it firmly and to sustain it Through justice and righteousness, From now on and forever.."