Jesus is God

[NWL]

The contention is that you are a cultist which I believe has already been proved. I don't believe there is any infatuation only frustration at your inability to not see truth.

Where has the above in yellow been proved?

You say "I don't believe there is any infatuation only frustration at your inability to not see truth", what are you talking about, WonderfulLordJesus showed me nothing in relation to trying to attempt me to show truth, all he did is copy and paste 24 scriptures, how could quoting scriptures which I do not deny existing and me highlighting he gave no reasoning in relation how they reveal "the truth" lead anyone to frustration? In fact could you even show me a single time you or anyone else has showed me "truth" and I've ignored it with no good reason as to why?

You like many others merely assert that you are correct, assert people such as myself have the "inability to not see truth" and yet can never really show how. Imagine if I said to you that you have "inability to not see truth", does me making such an assertion make it any more credible or true, no. So it's very naive of you to make such a claim when you yourself know such a claim proves nothing. Let's do a thought experiment, let's imagine I was 100% correct with my understanding of the bible and Trinitarians were unknowingly wrong with their understanding, would Trinitarians still be saying things such as "you have the inability to not see truth" when they couldn't get through my reasoning, yes of course they would! So either if you are 100% right or 100% wrong such a statement is still simply stupid to make as one would still make such a statement in either case. I'm the one trying to be reasonable with others here, at no point do I show an attitude where I disregard another's interpretation, I always reasoning things out, people such as yourself and WonderfulLordJesus refuse with no good reason other than make un-proved assertions that I have the "inability to not see truth" when such a thing has never been proven or demonstrated.

 

[Bright Raven]

Where has the above in yellow been proved?

You say "I don't believe there is any infatuation only frustration at your inability to not see truth", what are you talking about, WonderfulLordJesus showed me nothing in relation to trying to attempt me to show truth, all he did is copy and paste 24 scriptures, how could quoting scriptures which I do not deny existing and me highlighting he gave no reasoning in relation how they reveal "the truth" lead anyone to frustration? In fact could you even show me a single time you or anyone else has showed me "truth" and I've ignored it with no good reason as to why?

You like many others merely assert that you are correct, assert people such as myself have the "inability to not see truth" and yet can never really show how. Imagine if I said to you that you have "inability to not see truth", does me making such an assertion make it any more credible or true, no. So it's very naive of you to make such a claim when you yourself know such a claim proves nothing. Let's do a thought experiment, let's imagine I was 100% correct with my understanding of the bible and Trinitarians were unknowingly wrong with their understanding, would Trinitarians still be saying things such as "you have the inability to not see truth" when they couldn't get through my reasoning, yes of course they would! So either if you are 100% right or 100% wrong such a statement is still simply stupid to make as one would still make such a statement in either case. I'm the one trying to be reasonable with others here, at no point do I show an attitude where I disregard another's interpretation, I always reasoning things out, people such as yourself and WonderfulLordJesus refuse with no good reason other than make un-proved assertions that I have the "inability to not see truth" when such a thing has never been proven or demonstrated.

Do you believe that Jesus Christ is GOD the Son? Is He God or is He not? Do you believe Jesus is the Archangel Michael? Do you believe in the infallible words spoken by the Watchtower Society? I'll be happy to debate with you anytime.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Where has the above in yellow been proved?

You have admitted you are a Jehovah's Witness.

Jehovah's Witnesses is a cult.

Therefore, you are a cultist.

A = B, B = C, therefore A = C.

You like many others merely assert that you are correct, assert people such as myself have the "inability to not see truth" and yet can never really show how. Imagine if I said to you that you have "inability to not see truth", does me making such an assertion make it any more credible or true, no. So it's very naive of you to make such a claim when you yourself know such a claim proves nothing.

I reject your premise, and therefore reject your argument.

Question: How does God know that He is good?

 

[WonderfulLordJesus]

WonderfulLordJesus showed me nothing in relation to trying to attempt me to show truth, all he did is copy and paste 24 scriptures

Folks, I’d like to point out what this evil idiot has just said, and this is the crux of what these lying cults are up to. On the other hand, he finally did say one thing honest, that scripture shows him nothing, though that accidental truth. And a substantial body of very God's, to the point, pure word is an ATTEMPT to show truth? You have got to be kidding. Where's the punch line?

He is outright saying the word of God has no meaning, that it cannot stand. And the word of God can’t stand, with him, because it proves him a liar, in the plainest of English. He must try and undermine the word of God. He’s saying you can’t trust the pure word of God, that scripture is deficient, until he adds his demonic doctrines, until he injects his cult lies.

“ALL HE DID IS COPY AND PASTE 24 SCRIPTURES.” Just think about the evil of that statement, the disrespect to the word of God. He may as well be claiming Almighty God is such a poor writer, is so confused in forming His doctrines, is so inept at saying what He means, that what He authors can’t be trusted. Why? Like any cult, the Joho has nowhere to run and hide if that word of God stands, as is, that destroys everything this cult idiot would have you believe, contrary to that word of God. Above all, he must blabber on with the lies, try to make you question what’s obvious on the page of scripture that destroys his every lie, try to lead you away from that truth.

The word of God well stands as is, without the running commentary of liars and other sundry perverts. The Christ that is God-lite, that is “a God” of many Gods is proven a terrible lie, was, in fact, destroyed by that mere “all I did was post” scripture, from the precise mind of God Almighty, in very plain English. All this pervert can do is try and minimize the scripture that puts the lie to his claims, the way he tries to minimize very God Almighty, Jesus Christ.

Again, think about what he is saying. ALL I DID was post a lot of scripture? He says this, of the word of God? So it’s the MERE word of God? You know, it’s just like the MERE Jesus this liar is peddling.

How very pathetic a thing to say about the scripture word of God. Just shameful. I don’t know who here thinks they’re having an honest conversation, with the likes of such lying, senseless and Satanic riffraff.

Let’s just cut to the chase. Who’s your daddy, Joho?

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

2 Timothy 4:1-4 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

 

[WYRose]

It looks like this argument has been proceeding a while with NWL pushing JW beliefs against those others who claim GOD is Jesus is GOD.
My KJV bible doesn't say Jesus is GOD and I stand by that.
Now regarding NWL and his Satanic cult. Every picture used in Watchtower magazines and books for 100 years has had inserted subliminal images of Pan the halfgoat god, demons, beasts, reptiles, serpents, UFO-aliens, nudity, homoeroticism, pedophilia and genitalia.
I saw a picture of the basic tower used in 19i7 but hwne re-used as a book cover in 1922 it had a subliminal of Pan the goad inserted in the clouds.
It finally dawned on me recently that this makes every magazine and book the same as the windowless room that Ezekiel found at Ezekiel 8:9
⁹ And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here.
¹⁰ So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about.
¹¹ And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up.
¹² Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, the Lord seeth us not; the Lord hath forsaken the earth.

As JWs hold up their Watchtower as their idol they are in effect secretly worshipping it as an idol and its contents as graven images of Satanic things.
Watchtower was started by Freemasons and is probably still guilded by a secret cabal of such. It is they who instruct the artists to insert the graven images of occult and pornographic nature.
I say all JWs will be slaughtered when Jesus returns.

 

[NWL]

Folks, I’d like to point out what this evil idiot has just said, and this is the crux of what these lying cults are up to. On the other hand, he finally did say one thing honest, that scripture shows him nothing, though that accidental truth. And a substantial body of very God's, to the point, pure word is an ATTEMPT to show truth? You have got to be kidding. Where's the punch line?

He is outright saying the word of God has no meaning, that it cannot stand. And the word of God can’t stand, with him, because it proves him a liar, in the plainest of English. He must try and undermine the word of God. He’s saying you can’t trust the pure word of God, that scripture is deficient, until he adds his demonic doctrines, until he injects his cult lies.

“ALL HE DID IS COPY AND PASTE 24 SCRIPTURES.” Just think about the evil of that statement, the disrespect to the word of God. He may as well be claiming Almighty God is such a poor writer, is so confused in forming His doctrines, is so inept at saying what He means, that what He authors can’t be trusted. Why? Like any cult, the Joho has nowhere to run and hide if that word of God stands, as is, that destroys everything this cult idiot would have you believe, contrary to that word of God. Above all, he must blabber on with the lies, try to make you question what’s obvious on the page of scripture that destroys his every lie, try to lead you away from that truth.

The word of God well stands as is, without the running commentary of liars and other sundry perverts. The Christ that is God-lite, that is “a God” of many Gods is proven a terrible lie, was, in fact, destroyed by that mere “all I did was post” scripture, from the precise mind of God Almighty, in very plain English. All this pervert can do is try and minimize the scripture that puts the lie to his claims, the way he tries to minimize very God Almighty, Jesus Christ.

Again, think about what he is saying. ALL I DID was post a lot of scripture? He says this, of the word of God? So it’s the MERE word of God? You know, it’s just like the MERE Jesus this liar is peddling.

How very pathetic a thing to say about the scripture word of God. Just shameful. I don’t know who here thinks they’re having an honest conversation, with the likes of such lying, senseless and Satanic riffraff.

Let’s just cut to the chase. Who’s your daddy, Joho?

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

2 Timothy 4:1-4 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

I read the first two paragraphs of your post and went no further as it was clear you weren't speaking with integreity.

I meant what I said and stand by it, what you fail to realize is that I wasn't expressing the scripture do not speak for themselves, but rather, that I would read and accept the scripture according to my interpretation, and you would read the scripture and read it according to your own interpretation, and many others would read it and come to a completely different interpretation to both of us. So when I said "WonderfulLordJesus showed me nothing in relation to trying to attempt me to show truth, all he did is copy and paste 24 scriptures", this wasn't me expressing "the word of God has no meaning", as you claimed, but rather, that it is pointless quoting scripture when people interpret it differently, I do not know what truth you have found in the scripture you quoted, and will not know unless YOU tell me. I could just as well quote the same verses you quoted to me, wait for you to say "how does it prove your point" and then write

Go to a dictionary and look up the word interpretation, of course, you will not do this as your only aim at present it to try and discredit me without actually using the scriptures against me as you know you cannot.

Again, you are obsessed to me, why not simply admit your love for me already.

 

[NWL]

You have admitted you are a Jehovah's Witness.

Jehovah's Witnesses is a cult.

Therefore, you are a cultist.

A = B, B = C, therefore A = C.

Why are Jehovah's Witnesses a cult? Asserting something does not make it true, all that A = B business is pointless unless you can prove point B.

I reject your premise, and therefore reject your argument.

You reject the idea that asserting something does not make it true? Seriously?

Question: How does God know that He is good?

God is Good by nature, he does not know he is good he simply believes he is good. Since there is no once above God, and it is God who has set all beings moral compass we only know goodness according to what he believes to be good, neither is there anyone who can say that what God does it not good since that being would have to be both separate and above God.

 

[Bright Raven]

I read the first two paragraphs of your post and went no further as it was clear you weren't speaking with integreity.

I meant what I said and stand by it, what you fail to realize is that I wasn't expressing the scripture do not speak for themselves, but rather, that I would read and accept the scripture according to my interpretation, and you would read the scripture and read it according to your own interpretation, and many others would read it and come to a completely different interpretation to both of us. So when I said "WonderfulLordJesus showed me nothing in relation to trying to attempt me to show truth, all he did is copy and paste 24 scriptures", this wasn't me expressing "the word of God has no meaning", as you claimed, but rather, that it is pointless quoting scripture when people interpret it differently, I do not know what truth you have found in the scripture you quoted, and will not know unless YOU tell me. I could just as well quote the same verses you quoted to me, wait for you to say "how does it prove your point" and then write

Go to a dictionary and look up the word interpretation, of course, you will not do this as your only aim at present it to try and discredit me without actually using the scriptures against me as you know you cannot.

Again, you are obsessed to me, why not simply admit your love for me already.

Answer post 7291.

 

[God's Truth]

God's Truth

The questions remaining that are yet to be answered.

The definition of Sovereign is someone having unrestricted power and absolute domination and no limitations or restraints according to Hebrews and Greek scholars, how is Jesus "sovereign" if it states "the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him" showing that he is subject to someone? (post 7226)

John 17:21 has Jesus saying "Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us", do followers of Christ being "one in them" make them the Father or Jesus? If your answer is no then you must also admit that Jesus being "in" the Father does not necessitate that Jesus literally is the Father? your argument must be consistent. (post 7225)

Where does the bible tell us God didn’t send an angel as His only begotten son?(post 7225)

Was Paul literally with the ones he wrote to in presence or was his figuratively with them? (post 7227)

It is not my fault if you are blind. Keep praying, stay humble, repent of your sins, ask God. I don't know what else to tell you why you might not be able to see.

 

[Bright Raven]

It is not my fault if you are blind. Keep praying, stay humble, repent of your sins, ask God. I don't know what else to tell you why you might not be able to see.

Maybe because he's a heretic ya think?

 

[God's Truth]

Maybe because he's a heretic ya think?

I can hardly believe he says I don't answer him. If he said he still didn't believe what I am showing him that is one thing, but the strange thing is he keeps saying I didn't answer him. So he is denying the scriptures and saying he doesn't even see the scriptures.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Why are Jehovah's Witnesses a cult?

Jehovah's Witnesses are, by definition, a cult.

Asserting something does not make it true, all that A = B business is pointless unless you can prove point B.

The reasoning stands.

You reject the idea that asserting something does not make it true? Seriously?

:yawn:

Don't be a dishonest troll.

God is Good by nature, he does not know he is good he simply believes he is good.

God doesn't know He's good?

So "good" is arbitrary?

Since there is no once(sic) above God, and it is God who has set all beings moral compass we only know goodness according to what he believes to be good,

So, God is arbitrary?

neither is there anyone who can say that what God does it not good since that being would have to be both separate and above God.

So, if God is arbitrary, and goodness is arbitrary, then by what standard do you determine truth?

Question:

Is murder good?

 

[God's Truth]

But hold on, wasn't it you who said "What God says is literal" (post 7232), yet now you're claiming what Jesus -who you claim is the one God- said was symbolic,

Jesus calls the bread 'the bread'. He said do it in remembrance of his giving his life for us.

and therefore not literal.

It is literally symbolic. It is literally bread.

So we have an issue on our hands, on one hand you claim "what God says is literal" and thus the bread Jesus passed was his litreal flesh according to what you say, but we also have a contradictory idea expressed by you that the bread was "symbolic of his flesh".

Jesus called the bread 'bread' and said to eat it in remembrance of him. Jesus literally meant it.

Your problem is that you call what is spiritual a metaphor.

So which is it, does the Jesus, who you claim is God, say things that aren't literal and at times using non-literal symbolic language

No. The bread is real bread.

as you have just expressed, or is "What God says is literal" as you have previously expressed, which is it?

You want to make it as if Jesus didn't really mean what he says and it is a fairy tale.

You can't be reasoned with or have anything spiritual revealed to you.

 

[God's Truth]

So what you mean here is that you can't admit the truth because it clearly contradicts your beliefs and you know by admitting what is planing stated I can use your words, which would be a reflection of the truth of the bible, against you. This should be a massive red flag that you do not have the truth, my friend. Either that, or you think Almighty God who is infinitely powerful is only a little higher than humans by the scripture.

What I said doesn't make that. The scripture is about Jesus, and if you use the world 'God' instead of 'angels', how does that make God a little higher than humans? You are mixed up.

It should be clear at this stage your argument is defeated. Other beings can, and are called, by titles that God is called, they are not unique to God (only a selected few are), despite scripture saying "there is only one God" there are other Gods(elohim),

The Bible says there is only one God and Savior, etc; and Jesus is that one God.

despite there saying there is only "one saviour" there are other saviours,

No, there is only one Savior of the world, and that is the Father and Jesus, One.

despite there being only "one Lord" there are other lords,

No. There is only one Lord of lords over the earth.

You can't even figure that out.

you do not understand why the bible uses such restrictive language at times. Likewise, JUST because God is called a king of kings and so too is Jesus it does not imply they are they same being any more than it does when other beings who have the same epithets

There is only one King of kings; and that is Jesus and the Father, One.

God proves they are God. YOUR ARGUMENT MUST BE CONSISTENT FOR IT TO BE CREDIBLE AND TRUE, your refusal to answer the question shows you cannot keep consistent.

No, it means you have no reasoning skills and don't have truth revealed to you.

You can call the angels 'elohim' all you want, but they did not create the world.

Jesus and the Father are one and they created the world.

 

[God's Truth]

Where does it say Peter was told, where is your scriptural evidence that Peter was told?

Peter said he lied to God. How do you think Peter knew he lied to God? Think about things more carefully and maybe it will come to you.

The verse simply shows that Peter knew they were lying, there is no mention that he was told anywhere, furthermore, the account clearly states that the feat was done by the hands of Peter himself, see below:

You just proved you forgot why you used this scripture to go against me.

Many other translation use a different word such as "Potentate" or "only ruler", it does not matter as my argument is founded on the original language and not the English translation of the word (Dynastēs), I could just as well ask you to find me where Jesus is directly called the "Potentate" or "only ruler" in place of "sovereign", it changes nothing, you're simply stalling.

You have not answered my question, again, I'm not asking to you show me where you think the bible EXPRESSES Jesus is called Soverign (Dynastēs), I'm asking you if Jesus is ever called Soverign. I'm not looking for a statement or expression which YOU BELIEVE TO MEAN the same thing as sovereign, I'm asking if Jesus isDIRECTLY called by the word "Sovereign", is he or isn't he? I don't know why you can't admit to something that is so obvious.

I gave you the scriptures that call God sovereign and Jesus.

 

[God's Truth]

I'm aware it confusing, its because you gave an answer that made no sense in realtion to my question,

That is not true.

so when I asked you how your answer answered my question it has confused you yourself,

I'm not confused, you are the one who is confused. You don't get it that when God came as a man He lowered Himself and that God in heaven is greater than a man.

You are now claiming what I'm saying is confusing.

I said you are confused.

 

[7djengo7]

You will never ever be able to stand before the judgment seat and say you never heard the truth. You are held accountable to what you said against God's Truth.

Do you intend to cast me into the lake of fire?

 

[7djengo7]

Greetings again 7djengo7, I have explained my understanding of Proverbs 8, and the same concept of personification applies to John 1:1. You seem to have difficulty with simple words and ideas.

Kind regards
Trevor

You have no understanding of Proverbs 8. You've explained nothing. You've stonewalled against all of the questions I've asked you, and you've merely been repeating your banal, formulaic stupidities over and over and over...

 

[God's Truth]

Do you intend to cast me into the lake of fire?

Are you feeling convicted?

 

[7djengo7]

Are you feeling convicted?

Spare me.