God's Truth
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I will ignore you for now on until you decide to talk about the Bible.
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I will ignore you for now on until you decide to talk about the Bible.
jaybird
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no worries, i guess ignoring is always a last resort when avoiding a question.
drbrumley
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Define "every creature" Col 2:15 keyPurr ? the spirit Son as you like to say is a plant? Is a donkey? Is a snake? etc....
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God's Truth
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You are a dishonest person. You could have have stated what you wanted to talk about, but you know you were mixed up from the get go.
keypurr
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Nope they did not understand him at all, just like you do not understand my words.
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keypurr
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In Col 1:15 we are told that the logo is the firstborn of every creature. So I would think that would mean that the logos is not the most high God.
I do not see the words every creature in Col 2:15, so I think you have big fingers on a small keyboard like I do.
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drbrumley
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Yes, I mistyped. Thank you for pointing it out :up:
But onto the subject at hand. I think this is what it is boiling down to. Is your definition of firstborn.
The Spirit Son in your view is the "firstborn". "Firstborn" of what? Every creature? Me thinks you have to say yes, if your consistent. But that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. There are hundreds if not thousands of creatures. So he is firstborn of a donkey? A snake? A fish? A toad? You get my point?
Or, you can actually use the brain God gave you and say that firstborn isn't being used in the context you think it is.
jaybird
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i did that. i asked a simple question, several times, yet you will not answer. and i think we both know why.
keypurr
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Consider that the express image spirit son was the first to be created because God created ALL things through him. He is the Father's firstborn and is considered a creature in Col 1:15. The name God is a title, YHWH is his name, the son of God is not God. He is a creature, only YHWH is not a creature. That is why Jesus Christ says that only his Father is God. Before the logos was sent to us, he had the glory of his Father, the highest in heaven except his Father.
That is how I view our Lord. We have one God and one Lord just as Paul tell us.
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drbrumley
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Jesus is the Jehovah of the Old Testament...
keypurr
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By the way "firstborn" is used as first to be born many more time than as a priority of status.
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drbrumley
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Which doesn't mean a thing when you actually use CONTEXT.
keypurr
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The verse in question can take both definations.
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keypurr
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drbrumley
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Actually it can't..."Firstborn" of what? Every creature? Me thinks you have to say yes, if your consistent. But that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. There are hundreds if not thousands of creatures. So he is firstborn of a donkey? A snake? A fish? A toad? You get my point?
keypurr
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God is a spirit, his firstborn is also a spirit. And the Father was pleased that it contained his fullness, yet it was created for it is an image. All images are creations, every one of them.
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keypurr
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Consider God created ALL through his logos.
Firstborn of all creation/creatures. The logos, express image of the Father.
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