Just so this doesn't get lost in the shuffle:
Dave Miller said:
We were created "good," only God is "holy."
"We never fell. We only think that we did and created a whole story to do with that idea. It was our mistake.
We have always been holy* . We never 'fell' so to speak. We only think we did. Jesus came to
liberate us from a 'guilt' and a primitive way of thinking that should have never happened.
So the outcome is still basically the same"
So you disagree with jade, correct?
Its fair game to suggest that the fall was self inflicted, we turned our backs on God due to our sense of guilt, but God never turned God's back on us. The OT has
mixed message on this, the hopeful texts say that God is waiting for Israel to turn back
towards God.
We disobeyd God,
then we felt guilty for doing it and hid. God
did turn His back to us, remember the Flood? Remember Israel disobeying and God turning His back to them? Of course it's as simple as repenting to restore our relationship with God.
If, in repentence, we have the opportunity to turn our dispositions back towards God,that implies that God is waiting with open arms, not with God's back turned towards
us...
If we aren't repentant, that's what we are, in rebellion. Repentance isn't just of the mouth, but of the heart. Confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord,
believe in your heart God raised Him from the dead. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
Taking this into the context of how jade sees God...
We are and always were holy
*. We simply started believing a lie about how evil we really are. Christ died so that men could feel "guilt-free" (read: feel good) about being holy
* again.
That very concept undermines the entire Bible.
Real Literal Christ
really literally died to pay the
real literal price for our
real literal sin that other wise will be judged by a
Real and Literal Just and Righteous Creator God.
Is it really a bad thing to ask jade if she interprets what is written about Christ in an esoteric spiritual way or literal way?
* Jade changed this to "good".