heir
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hogwashIf you had faith you would see miracles...
hogwashIf you had faith you would see miracles...
hogwash
Paul is the only one that really took that commandment seriously.
The rest went back to Jerusalem and started a church where it was warm and comfy.
The focus point...
Matthew 28:19-20
"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
don't look for vague passages that might support your beliefs
try to make sense of it
is it reasonable?
it should be
Pate...the Apostle Paul was never childish, the Holy Spirit is not childish.
You say the New testament is perfect....it is the New Testament which bids us to speak in tongues and prophesy..to earnestly covet the gifts...that's where we got it from.
If Paul had a revelation that we were no longer to speak in tongues or earnestly desire the gifts he would have said so.
The NT came and the church sank into deep darkness for more than a thousand years....nothing became perfect.
This is where we fit inHeir and Nick here they are I've got a question
Where do you fit into the body of Christ as Paul showed it?
That's not so. Why would you say that? See:you talk a lot about the body of Christ, Paul only describes it one place.
1 Corinthians 13:8-13 KJV). We have all scripture (2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV).And God has set in the church first apostles second prophets third teachers after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues
Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles
Have all gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?. But COVET the best gifts.
And yet I show you a more excellent way...Paul goes on to show that the way to use the gifts is with love.
WHere ARE you in all this?
Now there are a diversity of gifts but the same Spirit
But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to EVERY man to profit withal [Not as a sign to the Jews but to profit withal]
To one is given word of wisdom, another word of knowledge to another faith, by the same Spirit. To another gifts of healing, another the working of miracles, to another prophecy by the same Spirit, to another discerning spirits, to another diversity of tongues , to another interpretation by the same Spirit.
But all these working that one and selfsame Spirit dividing to EVERY man as He will.
For as the body is one and hath many members and all the members of that one body being many are one body so is Christ
This is where we fit in
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4270062&postcount=1
We are in the same one Body as the Corinthians as per our baptism by one Spirit into one Body (1 Corinthians 12:13 KJV).
Ephesians 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
That's not so. Why would you say that? See:
Ephesians 1:22-23 KJV, Colossians 1:18 KJV, Colossians 1:24 KJV, 1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
1 Corinthians 13:8-13 KJV). We have all scripture (2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV).
See gifts given unto men here:
Ephesians 4:11 KJV
And anyone who will be honest with themselves and the scriptures know that from that list, that there are no more apostles or prophets today. Are you claiming to be one?
Tongues in the New Testament were foreign languages. It was the means by which the Gospel was conveyed to others of a different nationality.
Tongues are no longer needed. There are hundreds of Bibles today that are printed in every language imaginable..
If you are not conveying the Gospel of Jesus Christ to someone of a different nationality, then it is useless.
Tongues are no big deal. Even cults speak in tongues.
I heard that you can go to a class to learn how to speak in tongues. Its showy and reeks of Pharisaism.
There were tongues in Acts and Paul describes the gift of tongues for private us for self edification and for use in the assembly along with interpretation.
Cults always counterfeit God...if there is a counterfeit there must be a true. Cults do not speak in tongues given by the Holy Ghost.
Just now you said tongues were childish...I don't think Paul was ever childish, now you say they are no big deal...is that how you say to God? "don't give me any gift, they are no big deal"
Anything God gives is precious and lovely and useful for edification.
You are showing a very bad attitude toward God.
The believers in the Bible times who spoke in tongues, they spoke in tongues supernaturally. The believers who supposedly speak in tongues nowadays, they speak gibberish and believe God turns their gibberish into supernatural language, and that is a false doctrine.
The believers in the Bible times who spoke in tongues, they spoke in tongues supernaturally. The believers who supposedly speak in tongues nowadays, they speak gibberish and believe God turns their gibberish into supernatural language, and that is a false doctrine.
Just show me where it says tongues is not for today.
You talk gibberish in English...not worth replying to.
1 Corinthians 13:8
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.