Thanks for the encouragement.
ECT Is your pastor deceiving you, or is he just ignorant?
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Thanks for the encouragement.
The warnings are ONLY to the elect ... to make sure they will be faithful.
The assurances are ONLY to the elect ... to the faithful ones who will be saved.
For God to make this clear would be to entice mucho discouragement amongst the troops.
God desires that all of society maintain some semblance of being civilized (a minimum of sin).
Hence the Truth is somewhat hidden.
Yes, it is very sad indeed to see today's church so full of
deceived believers who trust in their precious OSAS.
Ditto for that disastrous doctrine from the very pits of hell:
the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine.
Both false doctrines are products of Satan's genius.
And both will ensure that many believers will miss heaven.
While we're at it, let's not forget a third disaster coming upon believers.
Some well-known church leaders are spouting off ridiculous statements, such as:
It is possible to take Satan's mark of the beast and still make it to heaven.
Thou just canst seem to comprehend that a gift can be taken back.
And I'm taken aback at your being so deceived.
In all of the many dozens of warnings about losing eternal life, gaining eternal death,
not being allowed to enter the kingdom of heaven, etc.
there is NO mention of losing any rewards!
Please try to get with God's program.
Or, I'll have to worry (as Paul did) that my teaching was a waste of time.
A waste of time? ... Did Paul really say that? ... Gee, what would that mean?
Oh yes, they might not get as good rewards as he wanted them to get. lol
Oh, but he wuz talking about them not gettin' as many rewards as they might do get.
... lots and lol
Related fiction:
In the early days of Niagara falls, they would hold fairs and carnivals.
Some would stretch a cable across the falls and perform stunts by walking on the wire. Occasionally there would be a wire walker who would prove himself exceptional with his daring feats on the wire and it thrilled the crowds. Upon returning from the wire to the cheering crowd, he points to a wheelbarrow and says, "Do you believe that I can push that wheelbarrow across the wire?" The crowd yells, "Yeah, you can do it!"
The wire walker replies, "Then, if you really believe, one of you climb into the wheelbarrow and I'll push you across the wire!"
If you were the one in the wheelbarrow, would you try to help or would you sit quiet in trust?
Are you placing your total trust in Christ's finished work on the cross for your right standing/justification before GOD and trust Him to carry you across the wire of eternity, or are you placing some of your trust/faith/confidence in yourself, foolishlessly thinking that your puny attempts at personal righteousness could possibly help in any way and add anything to what He has done? To believe so, is to say that Christ's blood was not good enough.
Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
No flesh will climb up a ladder to heaven and then boast of what they have accomplished. To even imagine this brings despite to the Spirit of grace.
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory[boast] in his presence.
In the early days of Niagara falls, they would hold fairs and carnivals.
Some would stretch a cable across the falls and perform stunts by walking on the wire. Occasionally there would be a wire walker who would prove himself exceptional with his daring feats on the wire and it thrilled the crowds. Upon returning from the wire to the cheering crowd, he points to a wheelbarrow and says, "Do you believe that I can push that wheelbarrow across the wire?" The crowd yells, "Yeah, you can do it!"
The wire walker replies, "Then, if you really believe, one of you climb into the wheelbarrow and I'll push you across the wire!"
If you were the one in the wheelbarrow, would you try to help or would you sit quiet in trust?
Are you placing your total trust in Christ's finished work on the cross for your right standing/justification before GOD and trust Him to carry you across the wire of eternity, or are you placing some of your trust/faith/confidence in yourself, foolishlessly thinking that your puny attempts at personal righteousness could possibly help in any way and add anything to what He has done? To believe so, is to say that Christ's blood was not good enough.
Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
No flesh will climb up a ladder to heaven and then boast of what they have accomplished. To even imagine this brings despite to the Spirit of grace.
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory[boast] in his presence.
I'm placing my trust/faith/confidence in ALL of the NT Scriptures!!!
Is that okay with you?
Some of them clearly say that believers must "practice righteousness".
And MANY say believers must obey Jesus' commandments to be saved.
Anything else you'd care to have cleared up?
Context, context!
Rightly divide!
Php 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
Php 3:4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
:idunno:
heir
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heir
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When you lie, I call you a liar. Would you rather I say this to you?
Acts 13:10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
The foolish ZacharyB is still trying to scoot the righteousness of Christ over so he can add his own.
If only that were true.
Romans 5 KJV
(18) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
(18) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Not the righteousness of two --- you and Christ.
Just one --- Christ.
musterion
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Battle Royale had a good debate thread about faith vs. works.
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13451
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13451