Is volcanism and the earth's surface radioactivity evidence of the Flood? yes or no.

[1Mind1Spirit]

"If gravity was the cause of the force water has to turn the turbines, it wouldn't matter how low the water got."

How do you figure that? A water column 33 feet tall exerts a 14.7 PSI pressure at its bottom. Double the column height, double the pressure at the bottom. Higher the pressure, faster those turbines spin. Lower the pressure, maybe the turbine won't spin at all.

Those touting gravity as a force don't agree with you.
It doesn't matter how high you stack something gravity will only exert 14.7 pounds at ground level.

https://iridl.ldeo.columbia.edu/doc...html?msclkid=9da55c21c05b11ec93380ca6fecea9f4

What is the average air pressure at the surface of the Earth?​

The standard, or near-average, atmospheric pressure at sea level on the Earth is 1013.25 millibars, or about 14.7 pounds per square inch.

The gauge pressure in my automobile tires is a little more than twice that value. If you live at a higher altitude, the pressure will be lower since there is less air above weighing down upon you. The pressure also varies by relatively small amounts as high and low pressure systems move past.

-- Michael Bell

 

[Idolater]

Those touting gravity as a force don't agree with you.
It doesn't matter how high you stack something gravity will only exert 14.7 pounds at ground level.

A one square inch surface on the ground has stacked on top of it 14.7 LBS of air.
To get the same 14.7 LBS of liquid water the column must be 33 feet tall, whereas the height of the atmosphere goes up miles and miles to get the same 14.7 LBS. A column of mercury would only need to be about 30 inches tall to get the same 14.7 LBS, because mercury is more dense than water, and water is more dense than air.

Gravity adds momentum. If you set a cannonball at the top of a step ladder 12 feet tall and then it falls, it gains momentum. Once it hits the ground, it imparts a force to the ground, and stops, it no longer has momentum.

Falling means the thing adds momentum.

Applying a force is required to add momentum to an object. If I threw the cannonball instead, I am applying the force, adding to its momentum. Falling is downward momentum.

Weight is downward force. Pressure is omnidirectional force. Weight is the downward component of the pressure exerted by the weight of the atmosphere and of any other vertical column of material with mass. It all stacks on top of each other, and all the way at the bottom, the pressure is caused by the whole vertical stack, whether it's air molecules or liquid water molecules, or mercury atoms for that matter.

https://iridl.ldeo.columbia.edu/doc...html?msclkid=9da55c21c05b11ec93380ca6fecea9f4

What is the average air pressure at the surface of the Earth?​

The standard, or near-average, atmospheric pressure at sea level on the Earth is 1013.25 millibars, or about 14.7 pounds per square inch.

The gauge pressure in my automobile tires is a little more than twice that value. If you live at a higher altitude, the pressure will be lower since there is less air above weighing down upon you. The pressure also varies by relatively small amounts as high and low pressure systems move past.

-- Michael Bell

So what?

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

A one square inch surface on the ground has stacked on top of it 14.7 LBS of air.

Really?
Then why doesn't a one square inch ice cube weigh close to 14.7lbs?
Where's gravity factored into that?

Atmospheric Pressure - National Geographic Society​

Atmospheric Pressure

The air around you has weight, and it presses against everything it touches. That pressure is called atmospheric pressure, or air pressure.

www.nationalgeographic.org

May 14, 2011 · That pressure is called atmospheric pressure, or air pressure. It is the force exerted on a surface by the air above it as gravity pulls it to Earth.

 

[Idolater]

Really?
Then why doesn't a one square inch ice cube weigh close to 14.7lbs?

If it's one square inch on the bottom and 33 feet tall (iow not a cube), it does.

Water weighs about 1g per mL. One inch is 2.54cm. One square inch is 2.54 x 2.54 = 6.4516 square cm. 1LB is about 453.6 g. 33 feet x 12 inches per foot = 396 inches x 2.54cm per inch = ~1006 cm. 6.4516 square cm x 1006 cm = 6490 cubic cm x 1mL per cubic cm = 6490 mL x 1g per mL = 6490 g / 453.6g per LB = 14.3 LBS

Whoops. Off a bit. *Checks lit.* 33.9 ft actually. 14.3 x 33.9 / 33 = 14.7

Where's gravity factored into that?

That's why there's weight. That's why the air pressure at sea level is 14.7 LBS per square inch, because above every upward facing square inch on the ground or sea at sea level, there are miles of air stacked up on top of it, that all weighs 14.7 LBS.

Atmospheric Pressure - National Geographic Society​

Atmospheric Pressure

The air around you has weight, and it presses against everything it touches. That pressure is called atmospheric pressure, or air pressure.

www.nationalgeographic.org

May 14, 2011 · That pressure is called atmospheric pressure, or air pressure. It is the force exerted on a surface by the air above it as gravity pulls it to Earth.

What was the point of this link and excerpt?

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

If it's one square inch on the bottom and 33 feet tall (iow not a cube), it does.

Water weighs about 1g per mL. One inch is 2.54cm. One square inch is 2.54 x 2.54 = 6.4516 square cm. 1LB is about 453.6 g. 33 feet x 12 inches per foot = 396 inches x 2.54cm per inch = ~1006 cm. 6.4516 square cm x 1006 cm = 6490 cubic cm x 1mL per cubic cm = 6490 mL x 1g per mL = 6490 g / 453.6g per LB = 14.3 LBS

Whoops. Off a bit. *Checks lit.* 33.9 ft actually. 14.3 x 33.9 / 33 = 14.7

Not talking about water.
I'm talking about air and gravity.

What was the point of this link and excerpt?

Trying to get you to think instead of regurgitating Newtonian gravity as a force.

Let's do an experiment to see if there's 14 pounds of pressure under a 1 square inch miles high column of air.

1. Go outside at sea level.
2. Lay two fingers on the ground face up.
3. Put a 1 square inch ice cube on the end of your two fingers.
4. Raise your fingers lifting the ice cube.

How many pounds of pressure did you exert to lift the ice cube?

 

[Idolater]

Not talking about water.
I'm talking about air and gravity.

Trying to get you to think instead of regurgitating Newtonian gravity as a force.

Let's do an experiment to see if there's 14 pounds of pressure under a 1 square inch miles high column of air.

1. Go outside at sea level.
2. Lay two fingers on the ground face up.
3. Put a 1 square inch ice cube on the end of your two fingers.
4. Raise your fingers lifting the ice cube.

How many pounds of pressure did you exert to lift the ice cube?

First thing is to recall that pressure is omnidirectional force. It's force emanating from a point. Where your pressure meter is, is that point, when the meter is measuring the pressure.

How much weight is upon us at all times? How many upward facing square inches are you? A very rough estimate of myself is like two square feet upward facing, just roughly. So that's 288 square inches.

288 square inches x 14.7 LBS per square inch = 4,233 LBS!!!!

That can't be right! How could I even support 10% of that regularly!

I can't even lift 423 LBS off the floor, let alone walk around carrying it all the time.

Pressure is omnidirectional force, that includes sideways and diagonal and straight up too. So I'm not carrying all that weight by myself, all the air pressure all around me all the time is also holding all that weight.

So the work that I do in lifting an ice cube is simply the mass of the ice cube and the height I lifted it, figured out mathematically according to physics equations.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

First thing is to recall that pressure is omnidirectional force. It's force emanating from a point. Where your pressure meter is, is that point, when the meter is measuring the pressure.

How much weight is upon us at all times? How many upward facing square inches are you? A very rough estimate of myself is like two square feet upward facing, just roughly. So that's 288 square inches.

288 square inches x 14.7 LBS per square inch = 4,233 LBS!!!!

That can't be right! How could I even support 10% of that regularly!

I can't even lift 423 LBS off the floor, let alone walk around carrying it all the time.

Pressure is omnidirectional force, that includes sideways and diagonal and straight up too. So I'm not carrying all that weight by myself, all the air pressure all around me all the time is also holding all that weight.

So the work that I do in lifting an ice cube is simply the mass of the ice cube and the height I lifted it, figured out mathematically according to physics equations.

You really can't hold and build one thought upon another can ya?

 

[Idolater]

You really can't hold and build one thought upon another can ya?

AMR. What, do you want me to actually doing the physics equations or something? Which part wasn't clear to you?

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

First thing is to recall that pressure is omnidirectional force. It's force emanating from a point.

Which negates the air column theory.
Gas molecules expand in all directions filling up available space.
They're not stopping after travelling 1 inch sideways.
Not only that their very action negates any influence that could be attributed to gravity as a force.

Where your pressure meter is, is that point, when the meter is measuring the pressure.

You can't have or measure pressure without a container.

How much weight is upon us at all times? How many upward facing square inches are you? A very rough estimate of myself is like two square feet upward facing, just roughly. So that's 288 square inches.

288 square inches x 14.7 LBS per square inch = 4,233 LBS!!!!

That can't be right! How could I even support 10% of that regularly!

I can't even lift 423 LBS off the floor, let alone walk around carrying it all the time.

Pressure is omnidirectional force, that includes sideways and diagonal and straight up too. So I'm not carrying all that weight by myself, all the air pressure all around me all the time is also holding all that weight.

You just whipped your own argument again.
How ya gonna have 14 pounds of sideways pressure into the side of your leg if you've got a 14 pound column of air running down beside your leg?

So the work that I do in lifting an ice cube is simply the mass of the ice cube and the height I lifted it, figured out mathematically according to physics equations.

No.
That's why I detailed the experiment, fingers on the ground , ice cube on your fingers.
Leaves no room for expanding air molecules to help with the lift.
You measure the amount of force it takes at the beginning of the lift.
The only physics equation you need is it takes an equal amount of force before you can even begin to push back against another force.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

AMR. What, do you want me to actually doing the physics equations or something? Which part wasn't clear to you?

You were all over the place, spouting contradictions to your own position, all the while thinking you were bolstering it.
Hopefully after my last post you can rein yourself back in.

 

[JudgeRightly]

How ya gonna have 14 pounds of sideways pressure into the side of your leg if you've got a 14 pound column of air running down beside your leg?

A bullet fired falls at the same rate as a bullet dropped.

In other words: Lateral motion does not affect the downward pull of gravity. This was shown in Mythbusters:

 

[Idolater]

You were all over the place

Was not.

, spouting contradictions to your own position

Point out one. Just one.

, all the while thinking you were bolstering it.
Hopefully after my last post you can rein yourself back in.

Let's see:

Which negates the air column theory.
Gas molecules expand in all directions filling up available space.

Gas molecules don't expand, they are at their same size once they become gas. As liquids they are much more compact and as gas they are 'ballooned' up in effective size, but this is the only expansion they undergo.

Ergo, air molecules since they are already gaseous, have already expanded to their gaseous size; their velocity increases with temperature.

What you mean is that gases (bulk quantity of gaseous molecules) expand, and what you're getting at, is that all the air in the atmosphere should just expand off into outer space, and I'm telling you that the air pressure at sea level basically serves as a container, a container with 14.7 PSI pressure, so every molecule of air at sea level is met with this same pressure in all directions. It can go up and down and sideways all basically to the same degree.

Although, it is true, that with increasing elevation, there is a decreasing pressure, so there is a slight gradient in pressure going down as you get higher up, and rising as you drop to below sea level like in Death Valley.

They're not stopping after travelling 1 inch sideways.

Sure they are, even before that since they'll encounter another air molecule before they make it 1 inch, they'll bounce off a few different molecules in that span at least is my guess.

Not only that their very action negates any influence that could be attributed to gravity as a force.

No, because why is the pressure there at all? To your point, there's no container here, so how is there so much absolute pressure at sea level? It's because of gravity.

You can't have or measure pressure without a container.

That's just false lol.

You just whipped your own argument again.
How ya gonna have 14 pounds of sideways pressure into the side of your leg if you've got a 14 pound column of air running down beside your leg?

Because pressure is omnidirectional force.

No.
That's why I detailed the experiment, fingers on the ground , ice cube on your fingers.
Leaves no room for expanding air molecules to help with the lift.

There're no expanding air molecules, see above. There's just pressure.

You measure the amount of force it takes at the beginning of the lift.
The only physics equation you need is it takes an equal amount of force before you can even begin to push back against another force.

And you lifted the ice cube. So it took some work. And now the ice cube has more potential energy than it did before, because you did some work.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

A bullet fired falls at the same rate as a bullet dropped.

In other words: Lateral motion does not affect the downward pull of gravity. This was shown in Mythbusters:

That's a pretty cool experiment.
Since we know gravity isn't a force it just shows the rate of fall.
The experiment doesn't show an exact fall rate either.
One of the reasons is air friction.
Due to those crazy little air molecules that fly around in all directions defying gravity as a force.
Too disprove my statement the experiment falls short.
Now that they know where the fired bullet hits the ground, they would need to bring the dropped bullet closer so that both bullets make contact in the air.
What happens there would be the same thing that happens to the supposed 14 pound one square inch miles high column of air.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Gas molecules don't expand, they are at their same size once they become gas. As liquids they are much more compact and as gas they are 'ballooned' up in effective size, but this is the only expansion they undergo.

Ergo, air molecules since they are already gaseous, have already expanded to their gaseous size; their velocity increases with temperature.

That's right, even though gas molecules expand I should have made it clear that the gas expands in all direction due to the molecules flyin' off in all directions.

What you mean is that gases (bulk quantity of gaseous molecules) expand,

Yes.

and what you're getting at, is that all the air in the atmosphere should just expand off into outer space,

No.
That tends to get the folks here riled up.
I'm saying that the 14 pound air column is a figment of somebody's imagination, by the action of the (air expanding) air molecules.

That's just false lol.

Prove it.
Pressure requires a container.
https://nala.kilobytegaming.com/202...rgy/?msclkid=486b43acc28011ec8e7a1d7288af7595

GASES – TOO MUCH ENERGY!​

April 14, 2021 admin Chemistry Leave a comment
Gases are breathtaking. Gas molecules have more energy than molecules in solids or liquids. They have so much energy that can move around freely, and even defy gravity! Some of the gases on earth include Oxygen, Carbon Dioxide, Nitrogen, Helium, Neon, Carbon Monoxide, Argon and Methane. Nitrogen is the most common gas on earth.
Molecules in a gas have more energy than a solid or liquid, and they can move around freely. Gases have no fixed shape or volume, they expand to fill the container they are in.
Gases have a pressure that increase with temperature and concentration (how much gas there is), if we think of blowing up a balloon the more gas there is inside, the more molecules are bouncing into the walls of the balloon and pushing them out – expanding the balloon and making it bigger.

And you lifted the ice cube. So it took some work. And now the ice cube has more potential energy than it did before, because you did some work.

Potential energy of the ice cube does not nullify the work.

 

[JudgeRightly]

That's a pretty cool experiment.

It really was. There's more to it. I recommend you watch the full experiment.

Since we know gravity isn't a force

This is called begging the question, and it has already been addressed.

it just shows the rate of fall.

Like I said: Lateral motion DOES NOT AFFECT the downward pull of gravity.

The experiment doesn't show an exact fall rate either.

Which wasn't the intent to begin with.

One of the reasons is air friction.

What about it?

Due to those crazy little air molecules that fly around in all directions

What about them?

defying gravity as a force.

They're not defying gravity.

Too disprove my statement the experiment falls short.

This "sentence" makes no sense.

Now that they know where the fired bullet hits the ground, they would need to bring the dropped bullet closer so that both bullets make contact in the air.

Why?

What happens there would be the same thing that happens to the supposed 14 pound one square inch miles high column of air.

Which would be...? What, exactly?

By the way, you realize that your "experiment" doesn't take into consideration the fact that our bodies are "pressurized" by the air that surrounds us, that our bodies are acclimated to the pressure.

 

[Idolater]

That's right, even though gas molecules expand I should have made it clear that the gas expands in all direction due to the molecules flyin' off in all directions.

Yes.

No.
That tends to get the folks here riled up.
I'm saying that the 14 pound air column is a figment of somebody's imagination, by the action of the (air expanding) air molecules.

Then why aren't we losing the atmosphere to outer space? Why do all the air molecules hang around the ground, even though they're being pressed against in all directions by 14.7 LBS per square inch?

Prove it.
Pressure requires a container.

You said and I quofe " You can't have or measure pressure without a container." That's false because you don't need a container to measure pressure. It's also false because you don't need a container to have pressure either, but you can stick a pressure sensor into the ocean or have it measure the atmosphere (barometer, barometric pressure), or even measure the pressure of outer space, it's just a pressure transducer, it doesn't care if you have a container or not, it doesn't matter.

https://nala.kilobytegaming.com/202...rgy/?msclkid=486b43acc28011ec8e7a1d7288af7595

GASES – TOO MUCH ENERGY!​

April 14, 2021 admin Chemistry Leave a comment
Gases are breathtaking. Gas molecules have more energy than molecules in solids or liquids. They have so much energy that can move around freely, and even defy gravity! Some of the gases on earth include Oxygen, Carbon Dioxide, Nitrogen, Helium, Neon, Carbon Monoxide, Argon and Methane. Nitrogen is the most common gas on earth.
Molecules in a gas have more energy than a solid or liquid, and they can move around freely. Gases have no fixed shape or volume, they expand to fill the container they are in.
Gases have a pressure that increase with temperature and concentration (how much gas there is), if we think of blowing up a balloon the more gas there is inside, the more molecules are bouncing into the walls of the balloon and pushing them out – expanding the balloon and making it bigger.

So what?

Potential energy of the ice cube does not nullify the work.

I never said it did.

 

[Idolater]

Entropy.
https://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/entropy.html?msclkid=cb5782b2c0f811ecab7a275122a95dee

The only way that makes any sense is if you think that air molecules (nitrogen and oxygen basically) when they get high enough in the atmosphere, lose all their energy (heat) such that they become liquid and then solid.

But then what? Then they would fall back to earth. And what causes that? Gravity.

 

[Idolater]

@1Mind1Spirit this is why gravity is not a force, because it bends light, and light has no mass, and forces act upon mass, they either push or pull basically, I mean there's also twisting and shear, and there is also bending force, so maybe you can say gravity applies pulling force to mass, and bending force to light? But that's why Einstein's general relativity's spacetime is plausible, because then it's not two different applications of force, but just one warping of spacetime, done by the presence of mass. Spacetime warps, so mass appears to be pulled toward that mass, and light appears to bend around that mass. That's why, as far as I can tell, you might say gravity isn't a force, because it's more like two forces if it's a force, and so maybe it's just that mass warps spacetime instead of gravity being a force or being two forces.

Eddington experiment - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This is like what Bell's Theorem is for Quantum. It's either one or the other, it can't be both, and the Eddington experiment said it's Einstein not Newton, and Bell's Theorem always says it's Quantum.

 

[The Phoenix]

Does liquid (melted) rock (magma or lava) exist solely because of the Flood?

Is there not liquid (melted) rock (magma or lava) on other planets too? Venus has some serious lava everywhere you look, meaning that deep heat from Venus's mantle and core can melt rocks and cause that magma to erupt. But I am sure there was no flood there.

 

[Right Divider]

Is there not liquid (melted) rock (magma or lava) on other planets too? Venus has some serious lava everywhere you look, meaning that deep heat from Venus's mantle and core can melt rocks and cause that magma to erupt. But I am sure there was no flood there.

Lava on other planets does not necessarily explain lava on earth.