Rosenritter
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Why don't you do us a favor and quote the original where I alluded to "feigned ignorance?" Then we shall see how likely this summation was.
Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment biblical or not?
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Why don't you do us a favor and quote the original where I alluded to "feigned ignorance?" Then we shall see how likely this summation was.
glorydaz
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First you tell me the Living God is the Saviour (supporting KR's belief that Jesus is not that God),and then you have the unmitigated gall to bring the cross into it? :rotfl:
Your feigned indignation is a bit much, don't you think?
Demons cannot tell the future, the Spirit of Samuel provided Gods words as to what would occur. A house divided against itself cannot stand. There is no biblical reason whatever to believe that was not Samuel.
I already did - gave a commentary with biblical support, you just keep claiming it isnt Samuel when it says no such thing.
PS why would you say you arent chasing after a website? I copied the relevant information here, right into 2 posts of mine, are you unable to read my posts?
glorydaz
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You had ZERO call to say that to LifeisGood. She made a legitimate statement about GT, and you, in your self-righteous lecturing mode had to make that false accusation against her. It's but the drop in the bucket. And you have the gall to tell others to play nice. Hypocrite.
And then the gall it takes to complain about others "bickering back and forth with people chasing ways to attack each other....." :blabla: :blabla:
Put a curb on it or reap what you sow.
glorydaz
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Amen. :thumb:
glorydaz
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I give what I get, girlfriend.
glorydaz
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Rosenritter
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I understand what you are saying. You did state your premise, but you did not provide conclusive evidence or support. That's the general problem on this board, lots of "saying" and "claiming" and lack of support.
You are cordially invited to provide the reasons and support for your argument. Let's also proceed on your advice. Let's move slowly, and establish agreement on sub points before running ahead. Would this be acceptable?
I already have and your response here is disingenuous at best, or an outright lie at least - see this post on previous page, and then again a couple pages before that.
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...lical-or-not&p=5052168&viewfull=1#post5052168
You also acknowledge my response, and complain that "you arent going searching links" even though the information was copied here clear for anyone to see. (again a sad diversion tactic on your part) you had to search for nothing and youve yet to respond to the informaton as you were asked several pages back the first time i posted it: http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...lical-or-not&p=5052168&viewfull=1#post5052168
and here: http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...lical-or-not&p=5052172&viewfull=1#post5052172
but here it is again with context and the post again (pretend you dont see it all again)
As this is now the 4th time its been posted to you, i enlarged it so you can see it.
glorydaz
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All one has to do is look through this thread, and they will see the mountains of proof texts that have been shown to you. You reject them.
"Oh shut up, silly woman," said the reptile with a grin
"You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in"
Rosenritter
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Angel, seriously, it's almost impossible to read what you just re-re-re-posted. Boldface, large font, and quoted means there's twenty characters per line. I'm serious in asking you to present a calm, laid out argument.
What I'm going to do is to take the first text, and stop as soon as there's a problem that needs to be resolved. Here we go:
1. Demons can tell the future. To the extent that they have power, they can say a thing and then make it happen. Apparently we have a disagreement on your statement, so if you wish to use this as support, please provide evidence and/or proof.
2. Yet Satan's house is divided against itself and shall not stand. The angels of God do work together in unity and purpose. Love is binding. Hatred, strife, jealousy, greed, envy... these are the attributes of devils, of a house that does divide against itself.
3. There is plenty of biblical reason to believe the Ghost was not the legitimate Samuel. Witches and those with familiar spirits are known to speak with devils. Saul had departed from the LORD and was not communicating with Saul by any means. Saul, in seeking out a witch, is not going to make God repent of his refusal to speak to Saul. Is God a man, that he should repent? Is he a dog, that should answer the summons of a witch?
Please understand Angel, that simply re-posting what has already been sufficiently answered does not a valid proof make. When you make a statement, you have to allow opportunity for statements to be agreed upon before running on using those statements as if they were accepted proof.
What I'm going to do is to take the first text, and stop as soon as there's a problem that needs to be resolved. Here we go:
1. Demons can tell the future. To the extent that they have power, they can say a thing and then make it happen. Apparently we have a disagreement on your statement, so if you wish to use this as support, please provide evidence and/or proof.
2. Yet Satan's house is divided against itself and shall not stand. The angels of God do work together in unity and purpose. Love is binding. Hatred, strife, jealousy, greed, envy... these are the attributes of devils, of a house that does divide against itself.
3. There is plenty of biblical reason to believe the Ghost was not the legitimate Samuel. Witches and those with familiar spirits are known to speak with devils. Saul had departed from the LORD and was not communicating with Saul by any means. Saul, in seeking out a witch, is not going to make God repent of his refusal to speak to Saul. Is God a man, that he should repent? Is he a dog, that should answer the summons of a witch?
Please understand Angel, that simply re-posting what has already been sufficiently answered does not a valid proof make. When you make a statement, you have to allow opportunity for statements to be agreed upon before running on using those statements as if they were accepted proof.
It isnt boldface or large font the other 3 times it was posted and you ignored also. We are finished, you arent disingenuous, you are just a liar and there is no point in me wasting any more time, this post of yours copping out for the 4th time now, says it all.
You have no argument - you have no biblical case, so you just sit and lie, instead of hearing the truth.
An honest man will change his thoughts to match the truth, and a dishonest man will change the truth to match his thoughts and you sir, are the latter. Bye bye now.
Rosenritter
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An honest woman might respond to the three enumerated bible-based points that were laid out in response to what you had written. Was it offensive that I asked you to prove your statements that lacked support?
glorydaz
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Why would the devil need to ask Saul anything....you claim he already knew Saul was lost and heading to hell.
Hello, Rosie?
He wasn't dead yet, was he?
Are you thinking you can write a cool story about this event?
Did you know the Bible already did that?
Had he been a real demon, he would have given Saul false hope, or told him a lie. What? A distress and torment that might cause him to turn to God for mercy? He did neither. He certainly wouldn't have let Saul know that he and his sons would be dead the next day, since that may have caused Saul to repent. Besides which, there is no way a demon could know they would all die.
Have you no common sense to use while you make up these elaborate possibilities?
Better than you do, apparently.
glorydaz
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:rotfl:
way 2 go
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and every time in the passages you listed when it is a demon or devil the bible say it is a demon or devil.
Glorydaz has faith in her own beliefs by which she judges any who disagree with her as being fit for hell.
The Pharisees had the same views as she.
LA
Yes there is, even your views on where the faithful go upon their death, supports that it was not Samuel himself.
When God will not speak to Saul by the three ways God had put in place to guide men for their good, then it is Gods prerogative to speak of their doom by the means men chose to hear--
1Sa 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.
1Sa 28:14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.
1Sa 28:15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up?
LA
way 2 go
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the Spiritually dead in this thread are the annihilationist