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ClimateSanity

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kmoney said:
Not really. How are you defining news? News can be simple facts of what happened. It's when you start getting into opinion and interpreting the events that bias will be in play.
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Most MSM is either outright opinion or selective facts that support the narrative and the suppression of facts that contradict the narrative.

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ok doser

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keep this in mind when considering the media:

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General Nguyen Ngoc Loan Executing a Viet Cong Prisoner in Saigon is a photograph taken by Eddie Adams on 1 February 1968. It shows South Vietnamese National Police Chief Nguyễn Ngọc Loan executing a Việt Cộng captain of an insurgent team Nguyễn Văn Lém (referred to as Captain Bảy Lốp), in Saigon during the Tet Offensive.

Around 4:30 A.M., Lém led a sabotage unit along with Viet Cong tanks to attack the Armor Camp in Go Vap. After communist troops took control of the base, Lém arrested Lieutenant Colonel Nguyen Tuan with his family and forced him to show them how to drive tanks.[citation needed] When Lieutenant Colonel Tuan refused to cooperate, Lém killed Tuan, his wife and six children and his 80-year-old mother by cutting their throats. There was only one survivor, a seriously injured 10-year-old boy.[citation needed]

Lém was captured near a mass grave with 34 civilian bodies. Lém admitted that he was proud to carry out his unit leader's order to kill these people.[6] Having personally witnessed the murder of one of his officers along with that man's wife and three small children in cold blood,[citation needed] when Lém was captured and brought to him, General Loan summarily executed him using his sidearm, a .38 Special Smith & Wesson Model 38 "Bodyguard" revolver,[7] in front of AP photographer Eddie Adams and NBC News television cameraman Vo Suu. The photograph and footage were broadcast worldwide, galvanizing the anti-war movement.

The photo won Adams the 1969 Pulitzer Prize for Spot News Photography, though he later regretted its effect. The image became an anti-war icon. Concerning Loan and his famous photograph, Adams wrote in Time:


The general killed the Viet Cong; I killed the general with my camera. Still photographs are the most powerful weapon in the world. People believe them, but photographs do lie, even without manipulation. They are only half-truths. What the photograph didn't say was, "What would you do if you were the general at that time and place on that hot day, and you caught the so-called bad guy after he blew away one, two or three American soldiers?"[8]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguyễn_Ngọc_Loan
 
ClimateSanity

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ok doser said:
keep this in mind when considering the media:

vietnam073-xl.jpg



Spoiler
General Nguyen Ngoc Loan Executing a Viet Cong Prisoner in Saigon is a photograph taken by Eddie Adams on 1 February 1968. It shows South Vietnamese National Police Chief Nguyá»…n Ngọc Loan executing a Việt Cá»™ng captain of an insurgent team Nguyá»…n Văn Lém (referred to as Captain Bảy Lốp), in Saigon during the Tet Offensive.

Around 4:30 A.M., Lém led a sabotage unit along with Viet Cong tanks to attack the Armor Camp in Go Vap. After communist troops took control of the base, Lém arrested Lieutenant Colonel Nguyen Tuan with his family and forced him to show them how to drive tanks.[citation needed] When Lieutenant Colonel Tuan refused to cooperate, Lém killed Tuan, his wife and six children and his 80-year-old mother by cutting their throats. There was only one survivor, a seriously injured 10-year-old boy.[citation needed]

Lém was captured near a mass grave with 34 civilian bodies. Lém admitted that he was proud to carry out his unit leader's order to kill these people.[6] Having personally witnessed the murder of one of his officers along with that man's wife and three small children in cold blood,[citation needed] when Lém was captured and brought to him, General Loan summarily executed him using his sidearm, a .38 Special Smith & Wesson Model 38 "Bodyguard" revolver,[7] in front of AP photographer Eddie Adams and NBC News television cameraman Vo Suu. The photograph and footage were broadcast worldwide, galvanizing the anti-war movement.

The photo won Adams the 1969 Pulitzer Prize for Spot News Photography, though he later regretted its effect. The image became an anti-war icon. Concerning Loan and his famous photograph, Adams wrote in Time:


The general killed the Viet Cong; I killed the general with my camera. Still photographs are the most powerful weapon in the world. People believe them, but photographs do lie, even without manipulation. They are only half-truths. What the photograph didn't say was, "What would you do if you were the general at that time and place on that hot day, and you caught the so-called bad guy after he blew away one, two or three American soldiers?"[8]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguyễn_Ngọc_Loan
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Dishonesty at its worst.

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ClimateSanity

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kmoney said:
Well, I'll be watching for when you post the 'real truth' about what rex posted.
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ClimateSanity said:
I will do that right now.

Here is the first claim I will challenge.

That's a false equivalence, and in fact the rationale for the Dems to change the filibuster rule in the past is the same rationale for opposing it for Gorsich.

What was the rationale for changing the filibuster rule in the past? Let's find out.


The blockade of three consecutive nominees to a powerful appellate court was too much for Democrats to handle — and Reid felt compelled to pull the trigger, explaining that “this is the way it has to be.”

From politico.

That's only three nominees. My guess is they were all radical. Which appellate court was it? My guess it was a very important appellate court.

So tell me, what was the rationale for opposing the nuclear option for Gorsich?

Rex doesn't tell us. I don't blame him. It's hard to remember to give us supporting details when it's much easier to retell a narrative , even if you looked at that narrative skeptically as he claims.
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WizardofOz

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ClimateSanity said:
I see you are fond of calling people cowards. Is that part of your morality?

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Now you're a liar. I didn't call you a coward. I am calling you a liar and an internet 'tough' guy.

You can read, right? rexlunae called you a coward.

rexlunae said:
Yes, me. Unless explicitly quoted, the thoughts that I write here are my own, informed by wide reading and reasoning. Don't lay down an accusation like that, and then try to pretend it isn't what you said, you coward!
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Got that down now?

Good talk. :wave:
 
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