Quetzal
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Just to clarify, are you referring to insurance companies?
I'm Not Anti-Christian - I'm anti-theocracy
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TracerBullet
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i find it better to ignore stupid posts
No, the government is the force, forcing people to carry insurance that covers it. Loads of lawsuits happening right now over it.
Are these not the Billions who languish in dire poverty, starvation, natural disaster, generation after weary generation?...they know not the true God. You would find if you were to make just a little study of church history that wherever the church has gone and the gospel been given free rein those nations have prospered.
Civil society has sprung up.
TracerBullet
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I'm also offended by and oppose antisemitism, do es that make me Jewish?
TracerBullet
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Indeed!
but you are so good at them
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Christian Liberty
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All laws are an enforcement of morality. Everyone wants to enforce some morality, and nobody wants to enforce all morality. All political debates come down to what kind of morality should be enforced and how much morality should be enforced.
If everyone could agree on this really obvious point, we'd be a lot better off. But way too many people, conservatives, liberals, AND libertarians, are too stupid to do so.
If everyone could agree on this really obvious point, we'd be a lot better off. But way too many people, conservatives, liberals, AND libertarians, are too stupid to do so.
Arthur Brain
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It's pretty simple. Any civilized society (or something resembling) has laws against murder, rape, child molestation, abuse, violent assault, torture, kidnapping and theft.
Any "state" that wants to impose laws infringing on the human rights of adults where it comes to consenting relations is an oppressive dictatorship and doesn't fly in the West, nor should it. Don't like it? Then keep whining or move to somewhere more suited.
Any "state" that wants to impose laws infringing on the human rights of adults where it comes to consenting relations is an oppressive dictatorship and doesn't fly in the West, nor should it. Don't like it? Then keep whining or move to somewhere more suited.
Christian Liberty
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Define "civilized" and explain why I should accept your standard.
See above.
Well, except for the unborn, you're allowed to murder them with impunity. But again, why should murder be illegal? You need a foundational reason.
Why should any of these things be illegal? What's your basis?
[And if some idiot reads this as advocating legalizing these things rather than challenging the underlying presuppositions, please go listen to Sye Ten Bruggencate before you waste my time with it
Well, except the US and Guantanamo Bay (its a shame that most conservatives don't care about this blatant hypocrisy.) But then, my worldview gives me a basis to challenge the legitimacy of such. Yours does not.
Well, unless the government is the perpetrator, but again, why do you object? What's your presupposition?
Are you sure "rights" exist? How? Many philosophers deny the idea of rights. do you have a presuppositional ground from which to disagree? I do.
First off, this doesn't even logically make sense. "dictatorship" is something that deals with the form of government, not the content. Theoretically a dictatorship could protect every human right except the right to elections (if you believe that's an inherent right.) Theoretically a Republic could implement Biblical law (which is my preferred method of doing so, BTW.)
Second of all, why is "consensual" the standard? And, are you consistent here? Should incestuous polygamous marriages be allowed as long as all parties consent? Group marriages? Either way, what's yuor presupposition?
But you have only your personal standards by which to claim this. Why shouldn't everyone just ignore them?
Or:
#1: God exists
#2: You Know God Exists
#3: You hate him
#4: You thus lack any philosophical foundation for truth, which leaves you in a position where you cannot do anything but whine about your opponents "whining" and telling them to either love things as they are or leave.
#5: The very few intelligent people in the world laugh at you.
Arthur Brain
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A society that doesn't tolerate petty bigoted prejudice based on race, creed, orientation and the 'desire' to harm those that don't fall under the desired remit - aka executing gay folk for a start.
Ditto.
The foundational reason being ethics and common sense.
Plywood, else see the above.
[And if some idiot reads this as advocating legalizing these things rather than challenging the underlying presuppositions, please go listen to Sye Ten Bruggencate before you waste my time with it
Oh, I'm sure you consider most people to be idiots in relation to yourself as it is already.
What exactly do you know about 'my worldview'? Please do share your telepathy here.
Conscience? Morality? Ethics? Then again it's all okay with you if people starve to death if they can't work and can't get help outside of charity so what's your 'presupposition' exactly?
I have the right to disagree with you without being carted off in an unmarked car so yeah, I have rights.
So you don't see any correlation with a dictatorship and authoritarianism?
Incest has been addressed a myriad times on this forum already. Heck, even you've seen the responses to aCW enough times on that very topic. It wouldn't appeal to me whatsoever to have polygamous relations but then it doesn't appeal to me to see folk 'swiftly and publicly executed' for such either.
Why shouldn't everyone just ignore yours by the same token? Your political positions seem to fluctuate like a leaf on the wind as it is so what gives you any credence? A belief?
I'm not an atheist so these varying options are irrelevant and your fifth one only goes to underline that precocious arrogance you've exhibited monotonously as it is, whereby you're really referring to yourself with an exaggerated air of pomp and grandeur as per bloody usual.
Quetzal
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I can't see many of those lawsuits sticking, I really don't know much about it though. I will need to read into it.
TracerBullet
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quite a compliment coming from a true master of them
Christian Liberty
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Where do your ethics come from and why should I take them seriously?
Arthur Brain
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New Hampshire...else I don't particularly care whether you take them seriously or not.