ECT If you want out of the deceptions of MAD read the rebuttal of Bullinger by Ironside.

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heir

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Hello , the 12 could not instruct Paul because PAUL was persecuting the B.O.C., and after the message had been established by Jesus opening their (11) understanding.

You seem to ignore where Jesus asked Paul why he was persecuting Him as he was persecuting the B.O.C..

:doh: What a twisted mess you have there! There's more than one church in the Bible. Paul persecuted the church of God, and wasted it (Galatians 1:13 KJV) not the Body of Christ. Paul was the first member of the church which is Christ's Body (1 Timothy 1:16 KJV). Stop sticking the word of God in a blender!
 

dodge

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:doh: What a twisted mess you have there! There's more than one church in the Bible. Paul persecuted the church of God, and wasted it (Galatians 1:13 KJV) not the Body of Christ. Paul was the first member of the church which is Christ's Body (1 Timothy 1:16 KJV). Stop sticking the word of God in a blender!

MAD ignores scripture to follow lies. Acts 2 and 4 says over 8000 people was added to the B.O.C. yet MADist to make Paul elevated even above Jesus and His message ignore much of the bible and pick and chose what they believe supports their errors.
 

Right Divider

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nah, I aint a MADist and I have not made Paul my pope and I do not marginalize Jesus to elevate Paul as that is uniquely MAD.

I do not FORCE scripture out of context and ignore Jesus' teachings again uniquely MAD.
You don't even know what MAD teaches. I can tell because you CONSTANTLY LIE about it.
 

dodge

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Dodgeism is in error.

The most dangerous folks are those who think they know something when they know nothing ,and MAD is dangerous.

Act 20:28
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.


For those who think the church and the B.O.C. are not the same.
 

dodge

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No, it does not. You made that up to suit your perverse doctrines.

Get a bible and read it it is in the bible. YOU are deceived.


MAD ignores scripture to follow lies. Acts 2 and 4 says over 8000 people was added to the B.O.C. yet MADist to make Paul elevated even above Jesus and His message ignore much of the bible and pick and chose what they believe supports their errors.
 

Right Divider

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Get a bible and read it it is in the bible. YOU are deceived.

MAD ignores scripture to follow lies. Acts 2 and 4 says over 8000 people was added to the B.O.C. yet MADist to make Paul elevated even above Jesus and His message ignore much of the bible and pick and chose what they believe supports their errors.
You keep making this false claim.

Jesus called Paul.
Jesus gave Paul MORE INFO.
It's simple, but you reject truth.
 

Right Divider

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Got ya, in your warped belief system Christ never came to minister to anyone. Why do you even claim to be a Christian ?

I have absolute faith that my bible was written by men who were "inspired" by the Holy Spirit sorry you do NOT.
LIE, LIE, LIE.... that's all you know how to do.

Why do you even claim to be a Christian?
 

Danoh

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He was a minister of the circumcision.

Yep.

This...

Romans 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

Towards This...

Romans 15:9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name. 15:10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people. 15:11 And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people. 15:12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.

But this happened instead...

Romans 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

And with that, Romans 15:9-12, was put on hold, til this ends...

11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Til then, this is now the picture of things...

Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

God, having planned all that, all along...

Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
 

Tambora

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Matthew 15:24 (KJV)

I think Dodgeism is in error.

Matthew 15:24 KJV
(24) But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Perhaps Dodge mistakenly thinks that "the house of Israel" is the whole world.
 

Tambora

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Yep.

This...

Romans 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

Towards This...

Romans 15:9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name. 15:10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people. 15:11 And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people. 15:12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.

But this happened instead...

Romans 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

And with that, Romans 15:9-12, was put on hold, til this ends...

11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Til then, this is now the picture of things...

Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

God, having planned all that, all along...

Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
:BRAVO:
 

Tambora

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:doh: What a twisted mess you have there! There's more than one church in the Bible.
Yeppers.
Probably why John writes to 7 churches instead of 1.
And the warning John gives is that one can be kicked out.
Odd thing to say if it was about the BOC, because one cannot be kicked out of the BOC.
 

john w

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Always a pleasure to drop in from time to time and talk to you ignoramuses.

Oooops!!!! The anointing, the Spirit just left candyandycain-again!!!!!!!!!!!!You need to show more fruit, Opie, as you are not repenting enough, and are not showing enough committment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Reclaim the Spirit, and the anointing!!!! Puh-razzzz Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus!!!!!!!!!!!
The dead still get raised today, but because of a lack of faith in this area, it's not as common as it should be....If a person renounces their faith in Christ and turns from God, then there will be no more fruit manifested because the Spirit will leave...Before God justifies us, we have to choose to repent and commit ourselves to him.
 

oatmeal

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Did not Jesus Christ state that the spirit would lead the believers into the all truth? Jesus Christ spoke the truth.
 

dodge

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Yep, it is idiocy.
Our resident idiot, Dodge, likes to use that fallacy a lot.

The resident idiots are MAD.

Can you read ?


Isa 49:6
And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Jesus was sent for and to both Jews and gentiles . Now show me anywhere else but in your hallucinations "2" different programs 1 for Jews and 1 for gentiles.
 
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