Secular ones are recognized by law.
If its just love, why shouldnt incest be ok?
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Secular ones are recognized by law.
If they are fit into the natural order God intended.
God intended freewill; homosexuals are natural human-beings. Seems kosher to god..why not you?
Christianity says all other ways are false (Jn 14:6).
glassjester
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They're not even validly married.
In terms of Catholic doctrine, they're just roommates that fornicate with each other.
glassjester
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That's a seriously disingenuous line of reasoning, Brother.
You would not truly claim that any act performed freely by a human being is a morally licit act.
Would you?
They are indeed validly married by secular law. Your special pleading is showing.
We're not talking of just any hypothetical act...we're specifically talking about sex sans the intention of procreation.
WonderfulLordJesus
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All the splitting hairs over sex aside, it's very Western to conflate sex with love, if not outright substitute sex for love. There are people who cannot countenance their sex is not some sort of exalted love, can't stand the thought, will get angry if you even mention maybe they're experiencing "true lust." Why? Because you're taught, 24x7 in your culture, that romance is love, that romantic, erotic love is the end all in life, the proverbial riding off into the sunset, one can only suppose to happily fornicate ever after, until you drop dead in bed at 80. People often refer to their sexual fling in terms of forever, their "love" that's forever in courtship, at least until the dogs are no longer in heat, as often the case. With a divorce rate exceeding 50%, when people realize they don't even really like each other, or, at very least, one of the parties of that "forever love" going south, as little as in some months widely reported, anymore: so much for love.
So now consider this. For all its exaltation in the culture, one of the four words for love in the Greek, eros, which is human, romantic love, where we get the word erotic from, the type of "love" in a porno film, you want to know something? The word doesn't appear once in the New Testament Greek, not once! For all our exaltation of sex, nowhere in the entire New Testament did the Lord see fit to even mention eros, while, on the other hand, you can hardly tune in a song on the radio or watch a show on TV that somebody isn't singing or talking about sex, fornicating or performing an outright adultery in HD. And it's always called love. A closer match in English to eros, in fact, would be lust, as eros is love, strictly on the human level of sexually related, flesh related, thoughts and actions. Lastly, rats copulate. It's not really all that exalted, rather the bane of society from broken homes to STDs to psychotic crimes, all in the name of cheapened love, and society seems to know no other kind. My complaint is that it's, primarily, only Christians in the West who even have a concept of agape love, have a clue what real love is, that involves the will, not raging hormones, a selfless love that may even suffer things unpleasant.
You've been sold a bill of goods, and don't hold your breath to hear about the love of God from the world. As close as you're going to get in the culture would perhaps involve the love of a parent for a child, circa 2016 now having to wonder if that involves pedophilia! And wholesome love for a child is storge in the Greek, while higher than eros and good, even that love down on the ladder from the agape love of God we are commanded to exercise. Generally speaking, as a society, I don't think we should use the word love in the first place, when few people even actually love anybody, with a Godly love.
Consider this, about the parents' love for their children:
Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Isn't it most interesting and enlightening, that the Lord Jesus characterizes people who love their children to give them good things as being evil, nonetheless? Not quite so exalted as the radio or TV, aka Satan, would have you to believe?
So now consider this. For all its exaltation in the culture, one of the four words for love in the Greek, eros, which is human, romantic love, where we get the word erotic from, the type of "love" in a porno film, you want to know something? The word doesn't appear once in the New Testament Greek, not once! For all our exaltation of sex, nowhere in the entire New Testament did the Lord see fit to even mention eros, while, on the other hand, you can hardly tune in a song on the radio or watch a show on TV that somebody isn't singing or talking about sex, fornicating or performing an outright adultery in HD. And it's always called love. A closer match in English to eros, in fact, would be lust, as eros is love, strictly on the human level of sexually related, flesh related, thoughts and actions. Lastly, rats copulate. It's not really all that exalted, rather the bane of society from broken homes to STDs to psychotic crimes, all in the name of cheapened love, and society seems to know no other kind. My complaint is that it's, primarily, only Christians in the West who even have a concept of agape love, have a clue what real love is, that involves the will, not raging hormones, a selfless love that may even suffer things unpleasant.
You've been sold a bill of goods, and don't hold your breath to hear about the love of God from the world. As close as you're going to get in the culture would perhaps involve the love of a parent for a child, circa 2016 now having to wonder if that involves pedophilia! And wholesome love for a child is storge in the Greek, while higher than eros and good, even that love down on the ladder from the agape love of God we are commanded to exercise. Generally speaking, as a society, I don't think we should use the word love in the first place, when few people even actually love anybody, with a Godly love.
Consider this, about the parents' love for their children:
Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Isn't it most interesting and enlightening, that the Lord Jesus characterizes people who love their children to give them good things as being evil, nonetheless? Not quite so exalted as the radio or TV, aka Satan, would have you to believe?
glassjester
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Yes, but you asked if I would consider the marriage to be moral.
Morality is hardly a legal term.
So no, I do not consider homosexual "marriage" to be moral, or immoral, because (morally speaking) there is no such thing as homosexual marriage.
I do consider homosexual acts to be immoral.
ClimateSanity
New member
Yes!!!!!!
So if a government made it legal for a man to marry a cat, that would be valid by God?
:nono:
You're the one with the special pleading.
Not a bad analogy:
If you allow pagan religions to promote their fraudulent doctrine in schools along with the one true religion (Christianity) why not allow fraudulent sex acts such as homosexuality, bestiality and incest in society along with traditional marriage?
Talk about mincing terms. If - via morally speaking - you believe that homosexuals may not marry then you're making an obvious moral judgment upon their legal marriage..especially so given your moral view against the specific brand of sex that will inevitably incur between such individuals. You're semantic dance is fooling no one.
Which introduces an ever diverse secular morality which finds it immoral to refuse to acknowledge same-sex marriages based upon a narrow-minded, bigoted, exclusivity premise.
zero-sum..except for that legal thing.
I could care less how god would view it.
Though you'd no doubt plead against such by way of special divine dispensation. Yes?
Poly-cotton blend shirts are a sin
Seems awful convenient that the laws you don't want to follow just happen to be the ones no longer in effect.
and nothing says love like rape
No it isn't.
There were reasons for not allowing such things, which became obsolete when Christ extended the kingdom to the gentiles.
So any any couple unable to have children would only be having sex just for physical gratification
