Sounds like a bad idea.
I will not vote for trump
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I never pegged you for a clinton lover
I'm not. :noid:
Being a Trump hater does not equate to loving the other candidate. Gary Johnson is also running.
Thanks clinton lover - :chuckle:
There are only two candidates that are running, the others are just distractions, not even a blip on the electorate radar screen.
Romney...two time loser indeed! I find his commentary very humorous, the man was too much of a pansy weakling to call out Obama for the failure of a leader he is but, has the stones to call out the guy that does have the courage to call out Obama & Hillary for the political Hacks they are. Romney never had what took to lead in the first place...
drbrumley
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Dead Man Walking
Charles Burris
With his choice of Pence as his VP nominee I believe Trump just destroyed his maverick campaign and its credibility by selecting a banal party hack undeniably connected to the corrupt GOP “free trade” corporatist, militarist and war mongering establishment. Even “Little Marco” Rubio loves this guy. His Trumpian base of anti-establishment insurgents thoroughly disgusted with politics-as-usual (not the GOP establishment’s staid rank-and-file base of zombies who never cared much for him) will never trust him again, and will stay away from the polls by the millions in November. This was done, no doubt, in a futile attempt to consolidate that #NeverTrump GOP base. This also destroyed any chance of cross-party outreach to Bernie Sanders’ economic populists disgusted with Hillary because of Pence’s “social conservative” views on gay marriage and Planned Parenthood. Trump may as well paint a bulls eye target on his forehead for the deep state who will no doubt try to pull a “John Hinckley” after January 20, 2017 if it didn’t already hand over and assure Hillary’s election. There are still months to go in this bizarre election cycle and the conventions and their ensuing violent riots and civil insurrections have not even been held yet. Let’s all see how this freak show plays out.
Charles Burris
With his choice of Pence as his VP nominee I believe Trump just destroyed his maverick campaign and its credibility by selecting a banal party hack undeniably connected to the corrupt GOP “free trade” corporatist, militarist and war mongering establishment. Even “Little Marco” Rubio loves this guy. His Trumpian base of anti-establishment insurgents thoroughly disgusted with politics-as-usual (not the GOP establishment’s staid rank-and-file base of zombies who never cared much for him) will never trust him again, and will stay away from the polls by the millions in November. This was done, no doubt, in a futile attempt to consolidate that #NeverTrump GOP base. This also destroyed any chance of cross-party outreach to Bernie Sanders’ economic populists disgusted with Hillary because of Pence’s “social conservative” views on gay marriage and Planned Parenthood. Trump may as well paint a bulls eye target on his forehead for the deep state who will no doubt try to pull a “John Hinckley” after January 20, 2017 if it didn’t already hand over and assure Hillary’s election. There are still months to go in this bizarre election cycle and the conventions and their ensuing violent riots and civil insurrections have not even been held yet. Let’s all see how this freak show plays out.
You have a warped overview Dr. Who should Trump have picked?
drbrumley
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His choice probably should have been Ron Paul (if he even wanted the job in the first place). Other than that....Pence wasn't a good choice for him.
Ron Paul would have been a good choice I could live with
Why not, they're (Trump and Pence) both pseudo-conservatives.
Does this mean that you boyz will be going back to your Libertarian Party where you belong?
BTW: Ted Cruz and other true conservatives are attempting to get the Republican Party to allow only registered republicans to vote in the primaries. That would mean that Libertarians and democrats wouldn't be able to help decide the Republican Party's nominee.
Bummer huh?
Ron Paul? :rotfl: you have got to be kidding!
The republican party hates conservatives aCW, they loathe the likes of Cruz, that is why they would not back his candidacy from the get go.
Fixed that for ya.
THE CREDIBILITY GAP BETWEEN TRUMP AND PENCE
1. Pense's response to Trump call for an immigration ban on Muslims
"Calls to ban Muslims from entering the U.S. are offensive and unconstitutional."
- Governor M. Pence (10:30 AM - 8 Dec 2015)
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2. Pence's Expansion of Medicaid in Indiana Contradicts Trump promises to recall Obamacare
"Trump has said he wants to repeal the Affordable Care Act, including the Medicaid expansion. As Modern Healthcare reports, Pence could now be in the position of calling for repeal of his own Medicaid expansion."
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3. LGBT Rights
Trump has said that marriage is between a man and a woman, but according to the New York Times, he has "nurtured long friendships with gay people, employed gay workers in prominent positions, and moved with ease in industries where gays have long exerted influence, like entertainment."
Trump also said in an NBC interview that he opposed North Carolina's ban on individuals using public bathrooms that do not correspond to their biological sex.
In 2015, Pence signed a "religious freedom" bill in Indiana that critics argued would have allowed businesses to refuse service to LGBT people on the basis of religious freedom. After facing backlash, Pence signed an amended version into law.
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4. Women's Health - Abortion Rights - Planned Parenthood
In 2007, when Pence was a U.S. representative for Indiana's 6th Congressional District, he sponsored the first bill to defund Planned Parenthood...
Trump, on the other hand, has indicated that he supports Planned Parenthood. In a March news conference in Florida, he said that "millions of women have been helped by Planned Parenthood," adding that he is "a common-sense conservative."
In a March interview on MSNBC, Trump said that women should be punished for having abortions. Pence opposes abortion rights — in Indiana, Pence signed a bill earlier that month banning abortions because of a fetal abnormality. The bill sparked criticism from women who found the law invasive. But Trump's comments went too far for Pence, whose office responded with a statement that he disagrees with Trump.
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5.The Trans-Pacific Partnership
In September 2014, Pence tweeted his support of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the free trade agreement between the United States, Canada and 10 Asian countries. Pence tweeted that "trade means jobs, but trade also means security. The time has come for all of us to urge the swift adoption of the Trans Pacific Partnership."
Trump has been strongly opposed to the trade deal, a stance that has become one of his most prominent positions. In a June 28 speech on the economy, Trump called TPP "a death blow to American manufacturing."
"Not only will the TPP undermine our economy," Trump said, "but it will undermine our independence. That's what's happened. The TPP creates a new international commission that makes decisions the American people are no longer given the right to veto."
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6. Trump’s ethnicity-based attacks on an Indiana-born judge as "Mexican" and a "hater"
Indiana Governor M. Pence: “Every American is entitled to a fair trial and an impartial judge, but of course I think those comments were inappropriate. I don’t think it’s ever appropriate to question the partiality of the judge based on their ethnic background.”
http://www.npr.org/2016/07/15/48586...ence-face-divide-on-womens-health-lgbt-issues
1. Pense's response to Trump call for an immigration ban on Muslims
"Calls to ban Muslims from entering the U.S. are offensive and unconstitutional."
- Governor M. Pence (10:30 AM - 8 Dec 2015)
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2. Pence's Expansion of Medicaid in Indiana Contradicts Trump promises to recall Obamacare
"Trump has said he wants to repeal the Affordable Care Act, including the Medicaid expansion. As Modern Healthcare reports, Pence could now be in the position of calling for repeal of his own Medicaid expansion."
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3. LGBT Rights
Trump has said that marriage is between a man and a woman, but according to the New York Times, he has "nurtured long friendships with gay people, employed gay workers in prominent positions, and moved with ease in industries where gays have long exerted influence, like entertainment."
Trump also said in an NBC interview that he opposed North Carolina's ban on individuals using public bathrooms that do not correspond to their biological sex.
In 2015, Pence signed a "religious freedom" bill in Indiana that critics argued would have allowed businesses to refuse service to LGBT people on the basis of religious freedom. After facing backlash, Pence signed an amended version into law.
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4. Women's Health - Abortion Rights - Planned Parenthood
In 2007, when Pence was a U.S. representative for Indiana's 6th Congressional District, he sponsored the first bill to defund Planned Parenthood...
Trump, on the other hand, has indicated that he supports Planned Parenthood. In a March news conference in Florida, he said that "millions of women have been helped by Planned Parenthood," adding that he is "a common-sense conservative."
In a March interview on MSNBC, Trump said that women should be punished for having abortions. Pence opposes abortion rights — in Indiana, Pence signed a bill earlier that month banning abortions because of a fetal abnormality. The bill sparked criticism from women who found the law invasive. But Trump's comments went too far for Pence, whose office responded with a statement that he disagrees with Trump.
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5.The Trans-Pacific Partnership
In September 2014, Pence tweeted his support of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the free trade agreement between the United States, Canada and 10 Asian countries. Pence tweeted that "trade means jobs, but trade also means security. The time has come for all of us to urge the swift adoption of the Trans Pacific Partnership."
Trump has been strongly opposed to the trade deal, a stance that has become one of his most prominent positions. In a June 28 speech on the economy, Trump called TPP "a death blow to American manufacturing."
"Not only will the TPP undermine our economy," Trump said, "but it will undermine our independence. That's what's happened. The TPP creates a new international commission that makes decisions the American people are no longer given the right to veto."
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6. Trump’s ethnicity-based attacks on an Indiana-born judge as "Mexican" and a "hater"
Indiana Governor M. Pence: “Every American is entitled to a fair trial and an impartial judge, but of course I think those comments were inappropriate. I don’t think it’s ever appropriate to question the partiality of the judge based on their ethnic background.”
http://www.npr.org/2016/07/15/48586...ence-face-divide-on-womens-health-lgbt-issues
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They make up the majority, no? That would make conservatives a minority faction at this point.
drbrumley
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I know I know, the guy everyone despises...the only guy who actually had a plan on the abortion issue...but then again, when we misplace where we think authority comes from, being despised is normal.
You forgot to mention that Ron Paul is on record as one of 3? Republicans to vote to allow homosexuals to openly serve in the military.
Of course Ron Paul is for legalizing all recreational drugs, if he weren't, he wouldn't be a 'true' Libertarian now would he doc?
BTW: Would you care to defend this bold faced lie (which you obviously copied and pasted from one of your Libertarian websites) ?
"Contrary to what many Americans seem to think, the document we now call "the Constitution" and the Declaration of Independence are not pretty much the same thing or "connected in spirit," or "two sides of the same coin." The two documents were written by two different groups of people at two different times to accomplish two totally different goals."
Still will not be voting for Trump.