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Sorry, but one can't totally ignore Christ's two greatest commandments and still consider themselves followers of Him.
Matthew 22: 36-40

No, that's too easy. If they identify as Christians, they're Christians. And some of those (maybe more than you even realize) are white supremacists who use the Bible to support their racism.

I've tasked white supremacists who identify as Christian to show me in Holy Scripture where God mentions race, and if they can find the non existent where He promotes one race over another. So far I've received no replies.

That being said: I understand why you believe racists can be Christians: If you go judging one group of people who obviously can't be followers of Christ, you'll have to judge another (your beloved 'Gay' Christian movement).

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Look at all of the communists/communist organizations and communist sympathizers that Baldwin associated with (the NAACP, King, Evers, Dubois, etc.).

Besides, the socialist movement and communist movement are one in the same.

That's not supporting your claim that Baldwin "represented" communism.

The previous article that I linked showing Baldwin joining a communist youth group pretty much says it all:

"They all had some association with Freedomways, a quarterly published from 1961 to 1985, which maintained close ties to the Communist Party.17 Freedomways has been described as the brain child of Louis Burnham and Ed Strong, two African-American Communists who had been part of the leadership cadre of the Southern Negro Youth Congress (SNYC).18 Freedomways initiators included Lorraine Hansberry, who had worked on Freedom, a Harlem-based, Communist party-sponsored newspaper directed by Paul Robeson, which by 1955 had been red-baited out of existence.19 Freedomways’ editor, Esther Cooper Jackson, who also had been active in the SNYC, was the wife of James Jackson, a major Communist party leader and editor-in-chief of The Worker, the Communist Party’s newspaper.
Not only were Freedomways’ personnel and its organizational antecedents closely aligned with the Communist Party, so were its politics...

Baldwin declared his affinity to Freedomways in the short-but-pithy Foreword he wrote for The Freedomways Reader: Afro-America in the Seventies, where he warmly praised the journal as “rather like a friend you have known so long that neither of you can remember exactly where, or when, you met. All is clear now that a friend came along when you needed one.” Baldwin credits Freedomways with “addressing itself to the task of re-interpreting the American reality: which … had global reverberations. No other black American periodical saw this as early, or as clearly, as Freedomways.”22 Over its 25-year lifespan, Freedomways published seven short pieces by Baldwin,23 but he also connected with that journal in more consequential ways. As a Contributing Editor, his name appeared on the inside cover page of each issue.24 The cover of Freedomways Reader featured a photo of Baldwin with Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., taken on February 23, 1968, on the occasion of a Freedomways-sponsored 100th birthday tribute to W.E.B Du Bois at Carnegie Hall."
http://sdonline.org/55/james-baldwins-harlem-the-key-to-his-politics/

We could talk about King's close ties to the Communist Party or W.E.B. Dubois' membership in it, but we've been over that in another thread haven't we?

As for communism and socialism being the same, how do you explain the fact that there's socialism in our capitalistic system? That there are socialized countries that can't be in any way shape or form be called communist?

The two movement's ideology are one in the same. Just because the socialist movement has been able to implement socialist programs and policies into a once free enterprise system, doesn't mean that they been totally successful in turning the United States into a socialist utopia.
 

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"you black people - my black people - you are the *** most violent *** I have ever seen in my life"


if i said that i'd get buried in the "you're racist!" avalanche
 

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I've tasked white supremacists who identify as Christian to show me in Holy Scripture where God mentions race, and if they can find the non existent where He promotes one race over another. So far I've received no replies.

They use words like kingdom and nation in their apologia. They've figured out how to work it into their concept of racial dominance through white Christianity.

The previous article that I linked showing Baldwin joining a communist youth group pretty much says it all:

"They all had some association with Freedomways, a quarterly published from 1961 to 1985, which maintained close ties to the Communist Party.17 Freedomways has been described as the brain child of Louis Burnham and Ed Strong, two African-American Communists who had been part of the leadership cadre of the Southern Negro Youth Congress (SNYC)

I didn't know who Edward Strong was. Apparently he was Chancellor at Berkeley. Wiki says that "while acting as Chancellor, Strong favored harsh disciplinary policies, and was upset that Clark Kerr had made certain concessions to the "student rebels" involved in the Free Speech Movement."

The two movement's ideology are one in the same. Just because the socialist movement has been able to implement socialist programs and policies into a once free enterprise system, doesn't mean that they been totally successful in turning the United States into a socialist utopia.

That still doesn't mean that you can use communist and socialist interchangeably. And yes, the fact that you'll be able to receive Social Security and Medicare when you retire means that you're reaping a not small benefit from socialism.
 

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From my textbook Psychology of Prejudice and Discrimination:

Characteristics of Modern-Symbolic Prejudice

The belief system of modern-symbolic prejudice is characterized by five themes that justify opposition to social politics designed to promote intergroup equality while still endorsing equality as an abstract principle:

  1. Racial prejudice and discrimination no longer exist or are so rare as to no longer be a major barrier to the success and prosperity of African Americans.
  2. Any remaining Black-White differences in economic outcomes result from Black people's lack of motivation to work hard.
  3. Because Black people are unwilling to work to get what they want, their continuing anger over inequality is unjustified.
  4. Rather than working to get ahead, Black people seek special favors from the government and corporations.
  5. Relative to White people, Black people have been getting more than they deserve economically because government and private agencies have given in to demands for special favors.

I've seen all of these arguments used here at TOL.
 

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
I've tasked white supremacists who identify as Christian to show me in Holy Scripture where God mentions race, and if they can find the non existent, where He promotes one race over another. So far I've received no replies.

They use words like kingdom and nation in their apologia. They've figured out how to work it into their concept of racial dominance through white Christianity.

I've thoroughly exposed the racist "Alt Right" movement in another thread. As far as their supposed ties to Christianity, this says it all:

5. The Alt-Right loves Christendom but rejects Christianity. The Alt-Right admires Christendom primarily for uniting the continent and forging white European identity. As such it also reveres European paganism, much like the Nazis did, and its synthesis within certain aspects of Christianity. But when it comes to faith, many Alt-Right thinkers describe themselves as atheists, agnostics, and lapsed Christians. AlternativeRight.com published a feature on the movement and paganism in which Alt-Right writer Stephen McNallen explains, “I am a pagan because it is the only way I can be true to who, and what, I am. I am a pagan because the best things in our civilization come from pre-Christian Europe.” He goes on to describe his aversion to Christianity because it “lacks any roots in blood or soil” and consequently can “claim the allegiance of all the human race.”
http://www.dailywire.com/news/9441/actual-conservatives-guide-alt-right-8-things-you-michael-knowles

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The previous article that I linked showing Baldwin joining a communist youth group pretty much says it all:

"They all had some association with Freedomways, a quarterly published from 1961 to 1985, which maintained close ties to the Communist Party.17 Freedomways has been described as the brain child of Louis Burnham and Ed Strong, two African-American Communists who had been part of the leadership cadre of the Southern Negro Youth Congress (SNYC)

I didn't know who Edward Strong was. Apparently he was Chancellor at Berkeley...

Here's more detailed information on Strong (not that being a Chancellor at Cal-Berkeley isn't evidence enough).
http://dh.howard.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1184&context=finaid_manu
 

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I AM NOT YOUR NEGRO
In 1979, James Baldwin wrote a letter to his literary agent describing his next project, Remember This House. The book was to be a revolutionary, personal account of the lives and successive assassinations of three of his close friends—Medgar Evers, Malcolm X and Martin Luther King, Jr.

At the time of Baldwin’s death in 1987, he left behind only thirty completed pages of his manuscript.

Now, in his incendiary new documentary, master filmmaker Raoul Peck envisions the book James Baldwin never finished. The result is a radical, up-to-the-minute examination of race in America, using Baldwin’s original words and flood of rich archival material. I Am Not Your Negro is a journey into black history that connects the past of the Civil Rights movement to the present of #BlackLivesMatter. It is a film that questions black representation in Hollywood and beyond. And, ultimately, by confronting the deeper connections between the lives and assassination of these three leaders, Baldwin and Peck have produced a work that challenges the very definition of what America stands for.


This is an extraordinary film. I became familiar with James Baldwin about four years or so ago in my literature classes, where I read his fiction, but it was detached from his history. One of his works, a short story called Sonny's Blues, remains with me to this day - but I didn't know him in the context of his times, I didn't know about his friendships with Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X and Medgar Evers. It wasn't until I saw this film, rich with archival footage, much of which I've never seen, that all the pieces starting coming together.

Samuel L. Jackson narrates the film using Baldwin's words, and when I was sitting in that theater listening to Jackson channeling Baldwin, I thought of TOL and the threads celebrating whiteness as something superior - and the utter unwillingness to recognize that there is, and has always been, white privilege in this country. So I challenge the alt-right here, past or present, active or lurking, to see this movie and allow yourselves to challenge your assumptions.

In the words of James Baldwin:

Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced.

I had never heard of Baldwin until I heard some stories about this new film. I'd like to see it and am considering reading one of his books.
 

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I just finished watching this and it was fascinating. Thanks for posting it. Who do you think won the debate?

I'm not really interested in watching a 1/2 hour debate between a communist and a pseudo conservative. Is the debate available in text form for us that like to read?
 

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I'm not really interested in watching a 1/2 hour debate between a communist and a pseudo conservative. Is the debate available in text form for us that like to read?

I don't know. You could trying searching for a transcript, that's what I'd do.

But I encourage you to watch it. It's a moment of time, an important discussion outside the U.S. - looking in at the U.S. - at a pivotal point in our history. It's two well-known men facing off, a room full of young minds that are now old if they're still with us, taking it all in and deciding for themselves. (They voted overwhelmingly in favor of Baldwin's argument, BTW.) I like to read too aCW, in fact, I love to read. But this is a chance to watch inflection and body language and posture and the faces of those listening. It's worth your time to hear other people take up a position you may not agree with, just to hear how they present their argument. It's well worth your time.
 

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...It's a moment of time, an important discussion outside the U.S. - looking in at the U.S. - at a pivotal point in our history...

Indeed it was a "pivotal point in our (i.e. US) history". A time when the communist backed civil rights movement went mainstream and Judeo-Christian doctrine took a back seat on the bus.
 

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Indeed it was a "pivotal point in our (i.e. US) history". A time when the communist backed civil rights movement went mainstream and Judeo-Christian doctrine took a back seat on the bus.

Are you saying that civil rights and Judeo-Christian doctrine are incompatible?
 

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Indeed it was a "pivotal point in our (i.e. US) history". A time when the communist backed civil rights movement went mainstream and Judeo-Christian doctrine took a back seat on the bus.

Are you saying that civil rights and Judeo-Christian doctrine are incompatible?

I was talking about the communist (i.e. atheist) backed Civil Rights Movement. Yes, atheism and Judeo-Christian doctrine are incompatible.
 

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Indeed it was a "pivotal point in our (i.e. US) history". A time when the communist backed civil rights movement went mainstream and Judeo-Christian doctrine took a back seat on the bus.



I was talking about the communist (i.e. atheist) backed Civil Rights Movement. Yes, atheism and Judeo-Christian doctrine are incompatible.

The cat's out of the bag, aCW.
 
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