How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[glorydaz]

Since we're being snide and rediculous...

That’s rude.

Yes, it does.


I don't care how odd anything is to you. I don't base my doctrine on your state of mind. I base it on the gospel as presented by the apostle to the gentiles.


Israel had to do all kinds of things to get and remain saved. The list is quite long. Start with the Ten Commandments and go from there.

Keeping the law didn’t save the Jews, did it?

It wasn't nonsense and you know full well that I wasn't talking about Christmas, I was talking about the nature of giving and receiving of gifts as apposed to earning something that someone is giving you. But you're too much a a jackass to respond to that obvious point with anything but this condescending crap and so now you've made yourself an enemy. Way to go!

Oh my. I’m a “jackass”. I’m sorry I’ve made you so angry, Clete, I really am.

Not if they don't submit themselves to and follow the law of Moses they won't. Israel never has and never will be saved by grace, except for during this current dispensation of grace where there is no Jew or Greek but all are the same and saved by the same grace through faith alone.

The remnant will be saved as Paul states in Romans.

The Jews, however, certainly were not! And there has never been a time when they were ever saved by doing or believing the things Paul talks about in Romans 10.


If you don't stop being rude, you won't need to bother wondering about me at all.

I wonder about you nonetheless. You were very kind to me once.

Never been a time when what? I’m missing your point.

 

[Nick M]

There are others. Abraham believed and was saved.

Paul says so, while Abraham was uncircumcised. James says otherwise while he was under the covenant of circumcision. Both are right.

 

[Nick M]

He required more from the Jews….not law keeping

I don't agree. He rebuked them for ignoring the weightier matters of the law. Those things they should have done, without leaving the others undone. Inheriting their earthly kingdom is hard. Broad is the path to destruction, narrow is the way to life.

 

[Clete]

Keeping the law didn’t save the Jews, did it?

Not directly but it was required. If they refused to obey they were cut off.

Oh my. I’m a “jackass”. I’m sorry I’ve made you so angry, Clete, I really am.

Liar.

Last chance. You post one single additional syllable of this sort of thing and I'll simply ignore you.

The remnant will be saved as Paul states in Romans.

The remnant of Israel, at the time, was Peter, James, John, their fellow apostles and their followers. There will not be one single practicing Jew saved today - period. Today, it is the gospel of grace or nothing at all.

I wonder about you nonetheless. You were very kind to me once.

And will be again when you stop being a jerk and making snide comments intended to piss me off rather than to actually engage the issue in any substantive way.

Never been a time when what? I’m missing your point.

No Jew (i.e. no person who practiced the religion of Judaism) was ever saved by confessing with their mouth, the Lord Jesus and believing in their heart that God has raised Him from the dead. That is not how salvation worked under the Mosaic Law nor was it even how it worked at ANY POINT in history for anyone prior to the Apostle Paul's preaching his gospel, the gospel of grace, which he received by direct divine revelation straight from the risen Lord Jesus Christ Himself.

Galatians 1:11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.​

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Since you are so hung up on this confession with the mouth issue, I ask you again, do you believe that you have done something to earn the gifts given to you by your friends and family at Christmas time by virtue of the act of taking off the wrapping paper and opening the box?