How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[glorydaz]

Since we're being snide and rediculous...

That’s rude.

Yes, it does.


I don't care how odd anything is to you. I don't base my doctrine on your state of mind. I base it on the gospel as presented by the apostle to the gentiles.


Israel had to do all kinds of things to get and remain saved. The list is quite long. Start with the Ten Commandments and go from there.

Keeping the law didn’t save the Jews, did it?

It wasn't nonsense and you know full well that I wasn't talking about Christmas, I was talking about the nature of giving and receiving of gifts as apposed to earning something that someone is giving you. But you're too much a a jackass to respond to that obvious point with anything but this condescending crap and so now you've made yourself an enemy. Way to go!

Oh my. I’m a “jackass”. I’m sorry I’ve made you so angry, Clete, I really am.

Not if they don't submit themselves to and follow the law of Moses they won't. Israel never has and never will be saved by grace, except for during this current dispensation of grace where there is no Jew or Greek but all are the same and saved by the same grace through faith alone.

The remnant will be saved as Paul states in Romans.

The Jews, however, certainly were not! And there has never been a time when they were ever saved by doing or believing the things Paul talks about in Romans 10.


If you don't stop being rude, you won't need to bother wondering about me at all.

I wonder about you nonetheless. You were very kind to me once.

Never been a time when what? I’m missing your point.

 

[Nick M]

There are others. Abraham believed and was saved.

Paul says so, while Abraham was uncircumcised. James says otherwise while he was under the covenant of circumcision. Both are right.

 

[Nick M]

He required more from the Jews….not law keeping

I don't agree. He rebuked them for ignoring the weightier matters of the law. Those things they should have done, without leaving the others undone. Inheriting their earthly kingdom is hard. Broad is the path to destruction, narrow is the way to life.

 

[Clete]

Keeping the law didn’t save the Jews, did it?

Not directly but it was required. If they refused to obey they were cut off.

Oh my. I’m a “jackass”. I’m sorry I’ve made you so angry, Clete, I really am.

Liar.

Last chance. You post one single additional syllable of this sort of thing and I'll simply ignore you.

The remnant will be saved as Paul states in Romans.

The remnant of Israel, at the time, was Peter, James, John, their fellow apostles and their followers. There will not be one single practicing Jew saved today - period. Today, it is the gospel of grace or nothing at all.

I wonder about you nonetheless. You were very kind to me once.

And will be again when you stop being a jerk and making snide comments intended to piss me off rather than to actually engage the issue in any substantive way.

Never been a time when what? I’m missing your point.

No Jew (i.e. no person who practiced the religion of Judaism) was ever saved by confessing with their mouth, the Lord Jesus and believing in their heart that God has raised Him from the dead. That is not how salvation worked under the Mosaic Law nor was it even how it worked at ANY POINT in history for anyone prior to the Apostle Paul's preaching his gospel, the gospel of grace, which he received by direct divine revelation straight from the risen Lord Jesus Christ Himself.

Galatians 1:11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.​

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Since you are so hung up on this confession with the mouth issue, I ask you again, do you believe that you have done something to earn the gifts given to you by your friends and family at Christmas time by virtue of the act of taking off the wrapping paper and opening the box?

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Who is this passage talking about?

Isaiah 9:6 (KJV)
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

What does Jesus mean by this statement?

John 8:58 (KJV)
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Who is this passage talking about?

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Why does Thomas call Jesus, "My Lord and My God" and why didn't Jesus rebuke him?

John 20:28 (KJV)
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

 

[Bladerunner]

Not directly but it was required. If they refused to obey they were cut off.


Liar.

Last chance. You post one single additional syllable of this sort of thing and I'll simply ignore you.


The remnant of Israel, at the time, was Peter, James, John, their fellow apostles and their followers. There will not be one single practicing Jew saved today - period. Today, it is the gospel of grace or nothing at all.


And will be again when you stop being a jerk and making snide comments intended to piss me off rather than to actually engage the issue in any substantive way.


No Jew (i.e. no person who practiced the religion of Judaism) was ever saved by confessing with their mouth, the Lord Jesus and believing in their heart that God has raised Him from the dead. That is not how salvation worked under the Mosaic Law nor was it even how it worked at ANY POINT in history for anyone prior to the Apostle Paul's preaching his gospel, the gospel of grace, which he received by direct divine revelation straight from the risen Lord Jesus Christ Himself.

Galatians 1:11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.​

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Since you are so hung up on this confession with the mouth issue, I ask you again, do you believe that you have done something to earn the gifts given to you by your friends and family at Christmas time by virtue of the act of taking off the wrapping paper and opening the box?

Please keep in mind one thing, many Jews who followed the law as best they could were saved by the Grace of GOD residing in Abram's Bosom until Jesus took them to Paradise during the three days of His resurrection.

 

[Clete]

Please keep in mind one thing, many Jews who followed the law as best they could were saved by the Grace of GOD residing in Abram's Bosom until Jesus took them to Paradise during the three days of His resurrection.

The law was always under-girded by grace because it was not possible to follow the law flawlessly and so it isn't just many Jews, it's every single Jew that was ever saved was saved ultimately by grace. The difference, however, is in what afforded them that grace; under what circumstances was that grace offered by God? From Moses all the way until Israel was cut off (Acts 9). grace was extended to those who trusted God and obeyed His commandments (i.e. as best they could) (James 2:14-26). Today, from Paul onward, it is "to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly" (Romans 4:5).

 

[Right Divider]

The law was always under-girded by grace because it was not possible to follow the law flawlessly and so it isn't just many Jews, it's every single Jew that was ever saved was saved ultimately by grace. The difference, however, is in what afforded them that grace; under what circumstances was that grace offered by God? From Moses all the way until Israel was cut off (Acts 9). grace was extended to those who trusted God and obeyed His commandments (i.e. as best they could) (James 2:14-26). Today, from Paul onward, it is "to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly" (Romans 4:5).

It's actually amazing how many Christians fight this dichotomy.

Rom 11:6 (AKJV/PCE)​

(11:6) And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.​

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Yes the Bible is 100% true and God's Word, however, The Scientific Evidence and History do support the Bible. I can use Non Biblical evidence to back up the truth of the Word of God. Darwinian Evolution is the one that false and not supported by the actual evidence. It really is a religion. The only type of evolution that really does happen is Lateral Adaptation, AKA Micro Evolution, within the Species. The problem with Evolutionists is that they cite actual examples of Micro Evidence and try to use that as evidence for Macro-Darwinian Evolution of one species evolving into another. That's false and has never happened, nor is it supported by the fossil record. So the evolutionary "Scientists" take a few bones and extrapolate a fictional creature from them and have an artist DRAW a fictional creature based on their description. It's false. So, yes I can support my beliefs with the actual evidence.

 

[Clete]

Yes the Bible is 100% true and God's Word, however, The Scientific Evidence and History do support the Bible. I can use Non Biblical evidence to back up the truth of the Word of God. Darwinian Evolution is the one that false and not supported by the actual evidence. It really is a religion. The only type of evolution that really does happen is Lateral Adaptation, AKA Micro Evolution, within the Species. The problem with Evolutionists is that they cite actual examples of Micro Evidence and try to use that as evidence for Macro-Darwinian Evolution of one species evolving into another. That's false and has never happened, nor is it supported by the fossil record. So the evolutionary "Scientists" take a few bones and extrapolate a fictional creature from them and have an artist DRAW a fictional creature based on their description. It's false. So, yes I can support my beliefs with the actual evidence.

Quite so! As would be expected, by the way, of any worldview that was, in fact, consistent with reality.

Of course the evolutionists claim the exact opposite and can do so precisely because they have no standard of truth. Their theory can (and is) whatever they desire for it to be. This is true throughout the main-stream scientific community. Everything from the astrophysics to zymology and everything in between is governed by their religiously atheistic worldview.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

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