Yeah, I know.
I find myself hoping that by pointing some things out, that some might give up their unfounded position and actually embrace and believe the Scripture.
How Protestants got sucked into the Rapture
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Yeah, I know.
I find myself hoping that by pointing some things out, that some might give up their unfounded position and actually embrace and believe the Scripture.
SaulToPaul 2
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Is this prophesying of the evil dispensationalism?
Zech 5
5 Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll.
2 And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits.
3 Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.
The flying scroll is the same dimensions as the Porch of the Solomon Temple, (twenty by ten cubits) and represents the same scroll written on both sides in Rev 5&6, (Rev 6:14 is the opening up of the heavenly Temple, that is, the Porch which is represented by the flying scroll). Note the similarities in the verse which follows what you quoted, (Zechariah 5:4) with Leviticus 14 and the house of any man who dwells in the Land:
Zechariah 5:4 KJV
4. I will bring it forth, saith the Lord of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.
If a dweller in the Land does not believe there may be "leprosy" in the walls of his "house" then I suppose he has no need of the Priest, (the Physician and Doctor of the Law). But the Father says that He Himself will put the plague of leprosy in the walls of a house; and I suppose the very reason is to see if indeed His people will come to His Priest to have the house set right:
Leviticus 14:33-45 KJV
33. And the Lord spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,
34. When ye be come into the land of Canaan, which I give to you for a possession, and I put the plague of leprosy in a house of the land of your possession;
35. And he that owneth the house shall come and tell the priest, saying, It seemeth to me there is as it were a plague in the house:
36. Then the priest shall command that they empty the house, before the priest go into it to see the plague, that all that is in the house be not made unclean: and afterward the priest shall go in to see the house:
37. And he shall look on the plague, and, behold, if the plague be in the walls of the house with hollow strakes, greenish or reddish, which in sight are lower than the wall;
38. Then the priest shall go out of the house to the door of the house, and shut up the house seven days:
39. And the priest shall come again the seventh day, and shall look: and, behold, if the plague be spread in the walls of the house;
40. Then the priest shall command that they take away the stones in which the plague is, and they shall cast them into an unclean place without the city:
41. And he shall cause the house to be scraped within round about, and they shall pour out the dust that they scrape off without the city into an unclean place:
42. And they shall take other stones, and put them in the place of those stones; and he shall take other morter, and shall plaister the house.
43. And if the plague come again, and break out in the house, after that he hath taken away the stones, and after he hath scraped the house, and after it is plaistered;
44. Then the priest shall come and look, and, behold, if the plague be spread in the house, it is a fretting leprosy in the house; it is unclean.
45. And he shall break down the house, the stones of it, and the timber thereof, and all the morter of the house; and he shall carry them forth out of the city into an unclean place.
So then if you have "the plague of leprosy" in the walls of your house you go to the Priest and explain to him, "It seems to me that there is as it were the plague of leprosy in the walls of the house", (the flesh) and an appointed time will be set: and when the Priest comes, then the contents inside your house, (YOU) must be emptied out so that the contents be not made unclean, (call no man unclean and the man is not his house). Then shall your house be cleansed. And if the house need be completely demolished, with all the timbers and stones thereof, fear not, for we have a heavenly tabernacle not made with hands with which to be clothed upon from above in the appointed time, (a day which no man knows; the Father only knows it).
Hilarious....loved the song. Boy, you realize how much time has passed when you hear something you heard in high school, don't you? At least we had intelligible words in music, with real musicians. Today's rap is.....don't get me started....:chuckle:
The flying scroll is the same dimensions as the Porch of the Solomon Temple, (twenty by ten cubits) and represents the same scroll written on both sides in Rev 5&6, (Rev 6:14 is the opening up of the heavenly Temple, that is, the Porch which is represented by the flying scroll). Note the similarities in the verse which follows what you quoted, (Zechariah 5:4) with Leviticus 14 and the house of any man who dwells in the Land:
Zechariah 5:4 KJV
4. I will bring it forth, saith the Lord of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.
If a dweller in the Land does not believe there may be "leprosy" in the walls of his "house" then I suppose he has no need of the Priest, (the Physician and Doctor of the Law). But the Father says that He Himself will put the plague of leprosy in the walls of a house; and I suppose the very reason is to see if indeed His people will come to His Priest to have the house set right:
Leviticus 14:33-45 KJV
33. And the Lord spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,
34. When ye be come into the land of Canaan, which I give to you for a possession, and I put the plague of leprosy in a house of the land of your possession;
35. And he that owneth the house shall come and tell the priest, saying, It seemeth to me there is as it were a plague in the house:
36. Then the priest shall command that they empty the house, before the priest go into it to see the plague, that all that is in the house be not made unclean: and afterward the priest shall go in to see the house:
37. And he shall look on the plague, and, behold, if the plague be in the walls of the house with hollow strakes, greenish or reddish, which in sight are lower than the wall;
38. Then the priest shall go out of the house to the door of the house, and shut up the house seven days:
39. And the priest shall come again the seventh day, and shall look: and, behold, if the plague be spread in the walls of the house;
40. Then the priest shall command that they take away the stones in which the plague is, and they shall cast them into an unclean place without the city:
41. And he shall cause the house to be scraped within round about, and they shall pour out the dust that they scrape off without the city into an unclean place:
42. And they shall take other stones, and put them in the place of those stones; and he shall take other morter, and shall plaister the house.
43. And if the plague come again, and break out in the house, after that he hath taken away the stones, and after he hath scraped the house, and after it is plaistered;
44. Then the priest shall come and look, and, behold, if the plague be spread in the house, it is a fretting leprosy in the house; it is unclean.
45. And he shall break down the house, the stones of it, and the timber thereof, and all the morter of the house; and he shall carry them forth out of the city into an unclean place.
So then if you have "the plague of leprosy" in the walls of your house you go to the Priest and explain to him, "It seems to me that there is as it were the plague of leprosy in the walls of the house", (the flesh) and an appointed time will be set: and when the Priest comes, then the contents inside your house, (YOU) must be emptied out so that the contents be not made unclean, (call no man unclean and the man is not his house). Then shall your house be cleansed. And if the house need be completely demolished, with all the timbers and stones thereof, fear not, for we have a heavenly tabernacle not made with hands with which to be clothed upon from above in the appointed time, (a day which no man knows; the Father only knows it).
Good post. What a difference it makes when you study the PATTERN. Like night and day, Amen? Peace
I didn't ignore it. I hit it head on here.....
Further; the single verse used to support flying away, needs to be dissected also. Like clouds, for instance. Clouds are the smallest particle of something, DUST and water vapor, Adam was taken from the dust of the earth. Men are called clouds without water (no Spirit guiding them) in Jude. We are told that a prophet like unto Moses would be raised up; well, Moses was told to meet Him in the cloud, the cloud being the cloud of incense which we are told represent the prayers of the saints.
Clouds of incense ASCEND. Prayers ASCEND. Flesh DOES NOT ASCEND, except in one way. Make of yourselves a LIVING SACRIFICE, tied down with cords of love that cannot be broken. Those saints under the altar in Revelation? They got there only one way, and that is through the grate on top of it, consumed by fire, until the offering makes a sweet smelling savor unto the Lord.
You want your rapture? There it is, and it's not for the fearful and unbelieving willing to let their brethren face all the destruction they imagine while they sail away.
Now let's reason this out. If they called men clouds without water, and those men were ON THE GROUND, then common sense dictates that other men are clouds WITH WATER, and they too are on the ground. The word for dust and clouds runs into the same root words in Hebrew. Why? Because clouds are dust. Men were taken from the dust and to the dust they will return.
The only question is their choice in how they become dust, which I also addressed with the grate. No greater love has any man than this.....
Now let's address Him coming in the clouds. How did He come the first time? IN THE FLESH THAT IS DUST. How will He come the second time? IN THE FLESH THAT IS DUST, A MANY MEMBERED CLOUD, that instead of being on the ground where HaSatan was ordered to EAT DUST, RAISED UP/CAUGHT UP, IN HIM, in the firmament, which is heaven. Heaven is not a location, but a state of being. Which is why Yeshua basically said to Nicodemus, I'm standing right here in front of you, but I'm in heaven.
Now the thing about this firmament called heaven is, heaven means literally, something heaved up, LIKE A MOUNTAIN. Let's see now; remember something about men coming up to a mountain to all be taught of the Lord? This is the same mountain that started small and increased. And CHRIST IS, the firmament and the mountain, which is why Christ IN YOU is the hope of glory. It's not THE glory, but the hope of it. And deferred hope maketh the heart sick, and that is what this rapture literal nonsense is doing to the body, giving them a false hope, making their heart sick.
Then what does the scripture say? There are many sick and dying among you because you HAVE NOT DISCERNED THE LORD'S BODY? The Lord is SPIRIT now, hereafter we'll not know Him after the flesh, but after the Spirit. We are caught up IN THE SPIRIT, where the Lord is. Your flesh body profits NOTHING. Peace
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1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
Not just dispensationism.:nono:
Our flesh body profits nothing because it died when we became part of Christ's body. We are now one with him in flesh and in spirit.
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
Yep.
Been some time back.
My ear works better these days, I love seeing the Lord in the land of the living.
Romans 10:8 KJV
8 But what saith it ? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is , the word of faith, which we preach ;
Psalm 119:43 KJV
43 And take not the word of truth utterly out of my mouth; for I have hoped in thy judgments.
Proverbs 15:23 KJV
23 A man hath joy by the answer of his mouth: and a word spoken in due season, how good is it!
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
Wild mountain honey. :jawdrop: :cheers:
Yep. Just as David killed the lion, we have to see the lion as slain to get the honeycomb that enlightens the eyes with wisdom, but you can't get most of them to see it as slain. They'd rather prop it's dead body up and worship it, and throw the honey away to some other passing bear (means slow moving). Fortunately, David slays bears too. :chuckle:
Livelystone
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Hmmmm......... "pillows" dreaming for what will never happen
Good post, and thanks for sharing the supporting scripture. To bad others (most) cannot connect the dots
Livelystone
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Baloney (saying it very kindly)
I am going to call BS on your unsupported words....... or more plainly said you need to come up with some supporting evidence that supports the position you have taken of a POST TRIB RAPTURE being the popular view in her day, as well as and I quote you, "SHE NEVER DID ESPOUSE A PRE-TRIB RAPTURE"...... is more than just a figment of your imagination
Truth is she imagined a rapture in the order of the popular belief of that time period that supported a time linear revelation of events as depicted in the order they are listed in the scriptures with the tribulation occurring in the same order the Book of Revelation appears after IThes. 4:16-18
It is not just that you are wrong, and way wrong at that! I would like to see proof backing up your claims of her supporting a post trib rapture doctrine have more support than just your own wishful IMAGINATION AKA "dreams" as all rapture supporters are known to be suffering from! :chuckle:
Fair enough?
WonderfulLordJesus
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I was sucked into the theology of the rapture a long, long time ago. This happened when I learned those parts of the Bible. If anybody wonders, last I checked, those verses are still there.
Already proven false -
Irenaeus(130 ad to 202 ad) in his writing "Against Heresies - 5.29"
Cyprian (200 AD – 258 AD) In "Treatises of Cyprian":
Ephraim The Syrian (306 AD – 373 AD) In his work, "On The Last Times 2", he wrote:
Then of course the bible describes it and thats where it came from, so anyone claiming the darby junk is just flat out wrong, its long been debunked.
Livelystone
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Nice post
Exodus 33:4-6
4. And when the people heard these evil tidings, they mourned: and no man did put his headgear upon himself.
5. For YHWH said unto Moshe, Say unto the sons of Yisrael, You are a stiffnecked people: I will come up into the midst of you in one wink of an eye and consume you! Now therefore put off your headgear from you; and I know what I will do unto you.
6. And the sons of Yisrael snatched off their headgear from mount Horeb.
Thank you for the kind words and the verses you have shared!
You, 1M1S, and RBBI have all contributed to this thread in a manner that has caused the saints in Heaven to shout out "Praise the Lord for those on earth who have eyes that see and ears that hear"
IMO the future of the remnant to be revealed in the last days rests on persons such as those named above, as well as any other likeminded voices whom I may have overlooked :thumb:
I just don't know what to say about MAD followers other than to feel sorry and pray for sheep following a blind goat....... it is sad to say the least
WonderfulLordJesus
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I also always get a kick out of the old, "The word rapture isn't even in the Bible!" Other than being completely sophomoric, strange they would use such an argument, since the word Bible isn't in the Bible, either.
Livelystone
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During your studies of the scriptures did you come across the Lord's Prayer that teaches us to pray for His Kingdom to come to earth rather than the other way around as the rapture doctrine teaches and is leading many within the Body of Christ to fall for?
Usually the red letter words mean more to those who need help understanding the rest of the scriptures
Just saying,
During your studies of the scriptures did you come across the Lord's Prayer that teaches us to pray for His Kingdom to come to earth rather than the other way around as the rapture doctrine teaches and is leading many within the Body of Christ to fall for?
Usually the red letter words mean more to those who need help understanding the rest of the scriptures
Just saying,
Just saying, you miss that the rapture and second coming are 2 different events. He doesn't come to earth at the rapture. We are caught to up to meet Him.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.