Because God intended the world to be different than it is now.
You failed, miserably, because less than half of your post was actually in agreement with my position.
Yes. Because what you said, in trying to sound like you were agreeing with me, doesn't actually comport with my beliefs.
No, I'm disagreeing with what you said, because what you said is not what I said, nor does it align with my position.
He didn't intend for thorns and thistles to be present, nor did He intend for man to have to sweat to produce for himself and his family.
Those are the consequences of Adam's actions, not the intention behind God's creation.
He didn't. Thorns are errors in the creation, not intended design.
Saying it doesn't make it so.
You're imagining things.
It wasn't anyone's will, not even God's, that there be thorns in Creation.
You don't seem to recognize that thorns are simply blooms which fail to open, meaning they would not been around in a perfect world, since they are errors in the plant. There were no errors in God's creation. It was, in fact, "very good."
Your position is that there were thorns outside the garden.
- Thorns: The Genesis thorns demonstrate the old-earth mishandling of God's Word. Taking Moses at his word, there were no thorns until after Adam sinned. Why? Thistles, thorns (i.e., blooms which fail to open), and even weeds, are part of the curse of the ground that resulted from the Fall. That teaching provides a powerful transdisciplinary (paleontological/theological) young-earth argument. Old-earth Christians claim that various rock layers, even those containing fossilized thorns, formed a hundred million years before the age of man. So, either 1) the rock layers and fossils actually are young or 2) Genesis is wrong and thorns preceded Adam's fall. Old-earthers including Joshua don't like either option. So what did Dr. Swamidass claim on today's broadcast? That the thorns had been there all along, but they were outside the Garden of Eden, all over the earth, for a hundred million years or more. So when God said, "Because of your sin now there will be thorns", God meant only that now there would be thorns also inside the Garden of Eden.
Of course that's absurd and impossible with any sincere reading of the text. Why? Because God immediately kicked Adam out of the Garden. Yet He said that the thorns would cause Adam to sweat and toil as he works the ground. So because Man's sin corrupted the perfect creation, the thorns that God is talking about are those that would now grow in the fields all over the earth. From Genesis 3 when God said to Adam that because he had sinned...
Cursed is the ground for your sake; in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life. Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you, and you shall eat the herb of the field. In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread… Then... the Lord God sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken. So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way...
That story cannot be understood, unless you're willing to twist it beyond recognition, to claim that thorns had been outside of the Garden all along but Adam's fall resulted in thorns only then growing also within the Garden. Christians who reject the Bible's teaching of a young earth bring violence to the text. |
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Thorns were not made by God.
They are simply blooms which failed to open, meaning they're no longer "very good."
Saying it doesn't make it so.
Supra.