Here it comes again

[User Name]

Back in 2021 he could hide behind unknowns. But the graphs are out, and masks don't matter.

Masks reduce the flow of virus particles in both directions, when exhaled and inhaled.

Medical-grade N95 masks, so named because they filter at least 95% of particles, are the most effective. KN95 face coverings are in the same league, though be sure to check the rating label to avoid counterfeits.

Surgical masks don’t work quite as well, and cloth masks are the least effective. One study suggests that fabric masks block about half of virus-laden “aerosols,” though the rate varies with the size of these particles. Two layers are better than one.

Even blocking half of particles is a lot better than nothing, said Lakdawala, an associate professor in Pitt’s department of microbiology and molecular genetics. That’s because the immune system’s response to viruses is a numbers game.

Reducing the amount of virus exposure gives the immune system time to marshal its various defenses before the virus makes enough copies of itself to cause severe illness. Even if a masked person becomes infected, the disease is more likely to be mild, she said.

How we know that masks, even the cloth ones, reduce the spread of COVID-19

The evidence for masks comes from animal studies, lab simulations, and real-world observation.

www.inquirer.com

 

[Hoping]

List all those righteous measures.

Sorry, I don't have a book of first century Roman laws at hand.
The laws of God written in out hearts will correspond to the laws of man written for our safety and ability to get along with each other.
If they don't, the lovers of God will hold to their faith, rather than to the laws of men.

Your reasoning is specious. In your reasoning the very enemies of God trying their best to destroy God's church were obeying God.

I really don't know how you came to that conclusion?
We are miscommunicating.

Odd. You're going to have to provide scriptural evidence for this exceedingly bizarre claim.

Moot point.

 

[Hoping]

We're talking about masks, not medicines.
God didn't directly provide medicine for us.

Think again.

No, He won't.
Too bad.
Nope.
Rather, I'm not afraid of dying.

That surprises me.

Building up my immune system isn't responsible?

It is inexcusable in a world health situation.

What planet do YOU come from?
No.
No, I haven't, and bearing false witness is a sin, Hoping. Retract your false accusation, please.

"Expert", "god", what's the diff.
You have put your "feelings" ahead of the lives of everyone else.
You seem to have chosen to ignore health mandates from those God has put in place for our own good.
It is written..."For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. (Gal 5:13)
How does boosting your own immune system serve others?
What am I to think?"

 

[marke]

Masks reduce the flow of virus particles in both directions, when exhaled and inhaled.

Medical-grade N95 masks, so named because they filter at least 95% of particles, are the most effective. KN95 face coverings are in the same league, though be sure to check the rating label to avoid counterfeits.

Surgical masks don’t work quite as well, and cloth masks are the least effective. One study suggests that fabric masks block about half of virus-laden “aerosols,” though the rate varies with the size of these particles. Two layers are better than one.

Even blocking half of particles is a lot better than nothing, said Lakdawala, an associate professor in Pitt’s department of microbiology and molecular genetics. That’s because the immune system’s response to viruses is a numbers game.

Reducing the amount of virus exposure gives the immune system time to marshal its various defenses before the virus makes enough copies of itself to cause severe illness. Even if a masked person becomes infected, the disease is more likely to be mild, she said.

How we know that masks, even the cloth ones, reduce the spread of COVID-19

The evidence for masks comes from animal studies, lab simulations, and real-world observation.

www.inquirer.com

 

[Gary K]

Sorry, I don't have a book of first century Roman laws at hand.
The laws of God written in out hearts will correspond to the laws of man written for our safety and ability to get along with each other.
If they don't, the lovers of God will hold to their faith, rather than to the laws of men.

I really don't know how you came to that conclusion?
We are miscommunicating.

Moot point.

Oh, so in your mind the Jews were working hand in hand with God to spread Christianity. They weren't working at cross purposes to Him at all and Paul was obeying their righteous orders.

 

[TomO]

Except that I have not had a cold or flu in almost three years, now, when I used to get one per year. And the difference is that for the last several years I have limited close contact with other people, washed my hands more often, and worn a mask around clustered groups of people. So my own experience tells me that these things do help me avoid communicable illnesses. It's really just that simple.

I did the first two (I'm mid-fifties)...Only wore a mask when I had to access property (private or otherwise) which regulated mask wearing, which was not very often...Had the same result.

Think about it...Or enjoy your paper towel security blanket if you want. I don't care.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Think again.

Again, God did not directly provide medicine for us humans to use.

That surprises me.

What's to fear?

And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. - Matthew 10:28 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew10:28&version=NKJV

“And I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear Him who, after He has killed, has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear Him! - Luke 12:4-5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke12:4-5&version=NKJV

For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven,if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked.For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life.Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord.For we walk by faith, not by sight.We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. - 2 Corinthians 5:1-8 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Corinthians5:1-8&version=NKJV

It is inexcusable in a world health situation.

Listen to what you're saying:

Hoping: "It's inexcusable [to build up one's immune system] in a world health situation."

Does that sound like a rational human being to you?

"Expert", "god", what's the diff.

So you're not going to retract your false accusation against me, accusing me of making myself God. SHAME ON YOU!

You who claims to be "sinless" are sinning, and you should repent.

You have put your "feelings" ahead of the lives of everyone else.

Wrong.

I've prioritized honoring God over the ridiculous mandates of the left.

You seem to have chosen to ignore health mandates from those God has put in place for our own good.

Newsflash: God didn't install Biden or Fauci. That was men.

God simply established governmental authority. He didn't pick and choose the specific individuals who would come into power within a particular government.

It is written..."For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. (Gal 5:13)
How does boosting your own immune system serve others?

Do you seriously not know how the immune system works?

What am I to think?"

First, start by actually using your brain TO think.

I can tell you what to think, but I can't tell you HOW to think.

 

[PureX]

I did the first two (I'm mid-fifties)...Only wore a mask when I had to access property (private or otherwise) which regulated mask wearing, which was not very often...Had the same result.

Think about it...Or enjoy your paper towel security blanket if you want. I don't care.

It kinda seems like you do care.

But it's not just about the mask. It's also about washing hands more often, and keeping a few feet away from people in a crowd. I only wear the mask, now, in specific situations (at work in a medical facility or on a plane, crowded bus, subway, etc.). These things helped us to avoid colds and flu before the pandamic, and they still do. It's just common sense, and common courtesy. Years ago, I used to see people occasionally on the subway wearing masks, and I thought they were 'germophobes'. But now I appreciate that they were protecting me, too. So, germophobe or not, I see it was a thoughtful gesture.

 

[Hoping]

Oh, so in your mind the Jews were working hand in hand with God to spread Christianity.

The real ones were.
Like Peter, James, John, Philip, Aquilla, Apollos, Paul, Barnabus, etc.

They weren't working at cross purposes to Him at all and Paul was obeying their righteous orders.

The fake Jews, those Jewish only by national location, were the ones working against God.
The fakes still are too, but they call themselves Christians now.

 

[Hoping]

Is there a vaccine for the twisties?
Wait a second...aren't those the things that seal loves of bread?

 

[Yorzhik]

Masks reduce the flow of virus particles in both directions, when exhaled and inhaled.

Medical-grade N95 masks, so named because they filter at least 95% of particles, are the most effective. KN95 face coverings are in the same league, though be sure to check the rating label to avoid counterfeits.

Surgical masks don’t work quite as well, and cloth masks are the least effective. One study suggests that fabric masks block about half of virus-laden “aerosols,” though the rate varies with the size of these particles. Two layers are better than one.

Even blocking half of particles is a lot better than nothing, said Lakdawala, an associate professor in Pitt’s department of microbiology and molecular genetics. That’s because the immune system’s response to viruses is a numbers game.

Reducing the amount of virus exposure gives the immune system time to marshal its various defenses before the virus makes enough copies of itself to cause severe illness. Even if a masked person becomes infected, the disease is more likely to be mild, she said.

How we know that masks, even the cloth ones, reduce the spread of COVID-19

The evidence for masks comes from animal studies, lab simulations, and real-world observation.

www.inquirer.com

If this were true the graphs would show it. Since they don't, this is just another biased report using faulty science.

 

[User Name]

If this were true the graphs would show it. Since they don't, this is just another biased report using faulty science.

On the contrary, the graphs prove that masks work.

 

[marke]

Is there a vaccine for the twisties?
Wait a second...aren't those the things that seal loves of bread?

Covid vaccines are like tribal barbarian root medicines - they work if people believe they work, but if they kill some then the dullest among them will not believe it was the root medicines that did them in.

 

[Hoping]

Covid vaccines are like tribal barbarian root medicines - they work if people believe they work, but if they kill some then the dullest among them will not believe it was the root medicines that did them in.

Kind like those who refused the polio vaccine.

 

[marke]

On the contrary, the graphs prove that masks work.

Lefties create graphs to justify their erroneous positions.

 

[Gary K]

Kind like those who refused the polio vaccine.

Those who refused the polio vaccine were wise. The year the polio vaccine was released the medical diagnosis of polio changed greatly. It made it many times harder foe a doctor to diagnose polio. Before the symptom needed to diagnose paralysis was a period of stiffness lasting 24 hours. That then changed to a period of 30 consecutive days. Think that changed the numbers of polio cases?

The next thing that changed was the outlawing of DDT. The advertising for DDT was that it was good for you and you needed to put it between your sheets. sprinkle it on your food, your window sills, etc.... The local governments used to spray crowds at the beaches with it to kill mosquitos. Know what the symptoms of DDT poisoning are? Exactly the same as polio.

The third change made was that there were a group of seven diseases that were all diagnosed as polio. A doctor was not required to differentiate between them. After the vaccine was released before a polio diagnosis could be made a doctor was required to eliminate all the other diseases first.

Post vaccine it was orders of magnitude harder to diagnose polio. But our wonderful health authorities have tnever officially told us these things and neither has our strictly conscientious media. A few doctors did the research and a couple have published books on it but other than that, crickets.

 

[TomO]

It kinda seems like you do care.

But it's not just about the mask. It's also about washing hands more often, and keeping a few feet away from people in a crowd. I only wear the mask, now, in specific situations (at work in a medical facility or on a plane, crowded bus, subway, etc.). These things helped us to avoid colds and flu before the pandamic, and they still do. It's just common sense, and common courtesy. Years ago, I used to see people occasionally on the subway wearing masks, and I thought they were 'germophobes'. But now I appreciate that they were protecting me, too. So, germophobe or not, I see it was a thoughtful gesture.

*Meh* Only to the extent that silliness annoys me.

The concept would probably not even be on my mental radar at all if it were not given the inordinate attention it was given to begin with.

Unless it's an N95 mask worn with all the proper protocols your mask does you no real good. It does others some good in redirecting your filthy sneezes and in the process catching some expelled particulates but so does sneezing in another direction into your tissue/hankie....You're doing the same thing with that mask except you're holding the dirty hankie against your face the whole time. The mask is not filtering germs out of your breath while you breath...It's just breeding bacteria.

If the national focus was on hand washing and other things which are effective, like you pointed out above...

The sort of things which I had to be cognizant of while dealing with my mother and grandfather who both had significantly compromised immune systems (for different reasons) all through the nineties and into the early 2000's. I had to be mindful of this fact and govern my actions for nearly 20 years (Flu season after flu season...And me with allergies...Can you imagine?) because at any time I could deliver something which could kill them...A lot of people sympathized with me, but nobody wore a mask...And I didn't expect them to.

I don't see people who wear masks as germaphobes...They are just frightened people, same as you, same as me...and they have a valid concern, for which they have chosen a dirty paper towel as a security blanket.

I do see "our" media and "leadership" as a group of gas-lighting, manipulative, amoral sociopaths however....Does that clear things up?

 

[Idolater]

Those who refused the polio vaccine were wise.

I personally know people who were stricken with polio who would hit you square in the head with their crutches for even thinking this let alone publishing it.

 

[Gary K]

*Meh* Only to the extent that silliness annoys me.

The concept would probably not even be on my mental radar at all if it were not given the inordinate attention it was given to begin with.

Unless it's an N95 mask worn with all the proper protocols your mask does you no real good. It does others some good in redirecting your filthy sneezes and in the process catching some expelled particulates but so does sneezing in another direction into your tissue/hankie....You're doing the same thing with that mask except you're holding the dirty hankie against your face the whole time. The mask is not filtering germs out of your breath while you breath...It's just breeding bacteria.

If the national focus was on hand washing and other things which are effective, like you pointed out above...

The sort of things which I had to be cognizant of while dealing with my mother and grandfather who both had significantly compromised immune systems (for different reasons) all through the nineties and into the early 2000's. I had to be mindful of this fact and govern my actions for nearly 20 years (Flu season after flu season...And me with allergies...Can you imagine?) because at any time I could deliver something which could kill them...A lot of people sympathized with me, but nobody wore a mask...And I didn't expect them to.

I don't see people who wear masks as germaphobes...They are just frightened people, same as you, same as me...and they have a valid concern, for which they have chosen a dirty paper towel as a security blanket.

I do see "our" media and "leadership" as a group of gas-lighting, manipulative, amoral sociopaths however....Does that clear things up?

I would just add this. The only type of masks designed to filter particulates down to micron level are respirators and those work on inhalation only. They have ports to directly release all exhalation gases. Surgical masks are just designed to redirect exhalation in directions other than directly in front of the wearer. Tom's desciption of them is absolutely correct. They are no better than dirty paper towels.

 

[PureX]

*Meh* Only to the extent that silliness annoys me.

The concept would probably not even be on my mental radar at all if it were not given the inordinate attention it was given to begin with.

Mine, either. But the virus did happen, and people did get very sick, and die. So I did as I was asked by those who ought to know better than I, and I found that it does indeed help me avoid colds and flu, it nothing else. So, since I'm now used to the minor inconvenience of covid protocol, and since the situations where it's an ussue are minimal, I choose to continue it in those situations.

Unless it's an N95 mask worn with all the proper protocols your mask does you no real good.

Actually, it does, SOME good. When we exhale without a mask, our breath projects out in front of as much as 3-4 feet. When we exhale with a mask, our escaping breath is being impeded and mostly remains in the air around our own head. If we're wearing masks, and standing 4-6 away from each other, our exhaled breath is far less likely to reach each other, and be breathed in by the other person.

I do see "our" media and "leadership" as a group of gas-lighting, manipulative, amoral sociopaths however....Does that clear things up?

So do I. But still, I haven't had a cold of flu in three years. And if I can help someone with a weak immune system avoid getting sick, that's a good thing, too. So, criminals that they all are, they have been at least somewhat right about this.