Good article: "Who Radicalized the Finsbury Park Van Man?"

[glorydaz]

It's a strange philosophy that believes that our attractions to others are forced upon us by some outside force that we have no control over.

Some sort of sealed fatalism.

Is Rusha an atheist?

My guess would be a humanist. So.....

 

[Right Divider]

I don't. If someone strikes me as beautiful or attractive then it's not a conscious decision to decide it. It just happens. What do you do? Mull things over as to whether they are or not?

:AMR:

You're just a robot?

 

[Right Divider]

Oh, that confusion is all yours. Your username is so ironic...

Yours too. Apparently you're a robot without a brain.

 

[Right Divider]

Indeed ...

So you're just a robot programmed to do what you do?

 

[musterion]

If they're strict materialists, that's pretty much their only option. Anything and everything would be biologically "natural" simply because it is...more importantly, because God isn't.

 

[Rusha]

You're just a robot?

Yours too. Apparently you're a robot without a brain.

So you're just a robot programmed to do what you do?

Thank you so much for all the meaningful *thought* posted in your projections.

 

[Right Divider]

Thank you so much for all the meaningful *thought* posted in your projections.

You're welcome.

 

[Arthur Brain]

You're just a robot?

Of course not, but there are things that are completely outside of control and if you don't accept that you don't accept simple reality. Do you think you have full conscious control over all of your senses? If I'm struck by the physical beauty of a woman then that isn't a conscious choice, it's attraction outside of my control. In the same vein, I did not choose to be heterosexual but rather just am and my attractions - romantic and physical are exclusively to the opposite sex.

Yours too. Apparently you're a robot without a brain.

Your robot analogy simply doesn't hold up. Humans are not mechanical contrivances although we're wired with certain things we don't have control over along with those we do.

 

[Arthur Brain]

If they're strict materialists, that's pretty much their only option. Anything and everything would be biologically "natural" simply because it is...more importantly, because God isn't.

Materialism has nothing to do with it.

 

[Right Divider]

Of course not, but there are things that are completely outside of control and if you don't accept that you don't accept simple reality. Do you think you have full conscious control over all of your senses?

If not, what is controlling you?

If I'm struck by the physical beauty of a woman then that isn't a conscious choice, it's attraction outside of my control.

Then what is controlling you?

In the same vein, I did not choose to be heterosexual but rather just am and my attractions - romantic and physical are exclusively to the opposite sex.

Then what is controlling you?

Your robot analogy simply doesn't hold up. Humans are not mechanical contrivances although we're wired with certain things we don't have control over along with those we do.

What wired us?

 

[musterion]

Materialism has nothing to do with it.

Okay.

The alternative is a designer with purpose.

 

[Arthur Brain]

If not, what is controlling you?


Then what is controlling you?


Then what is controlling you?


What wired us?

Do you choose to see the sky as blue? Do you choose to feel pain when you stub your toe? Do you choose to feel wet when you swim? There's all manner of things about the human body and mind that are completely out of personal control. Attraction is one of them.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Okay.

The alternative is a designer with purpose.

My argument isn't arguing against the existence of God, nor is it materialistic, it's simply about what happens to be where it comes to attraction. It isn't chosen.

 

[Right Divider]

Do you choose to see the sky as blue?

COMPLETELY different. Don't try your childish tricks on me, I won't fall for it.

Do you choose to feel pain when you stub your toe?

COMPLETELY different. Don't try your childish tricks on me, I won't fall for it.

Do you choose to feel wet when you swim?

COMPLETELY different. Don't try your childish tricks on me, I won't fall for it.

There's all manner of things about the human body and mind that are completely out of personal control. Attraction is one of them.

So goes your opinion.

 

[Arthur Brain]

COMPLETELY different. Don't try your childish tricks on me, I won't fall for it.


COMPLETELY different. Don't try your childish tricks on me, I won't fall for it.


COMPLETELY different. Don't try your childish tricks on me, I won't fall for it.


So goes your opinion.

No they aren't. They're examples of things completely outside of any personal control or choice on your part. The same goes for attraction. You don't 'choose' to find certain people physically attractive. Don't tell me you've never had your head turned by someone who struck you with their beauty in life, else you can take your childishness someplace else.

 

[Right Divider]

No they aren't. They're examples of things completely outside of any personal control or choice on your part. The same goes for attraction. You don't 'choose' to find certain people physically attractive. Don't tell me you've never had your head turned by someone who struck you with their beauty in life, else you can take your childishness someplace else.

According to your examples, there is NOTHING that we have a choice about.

Who we find attractive is a personal opinion.

 

[Arthur Brain]

According to your examples, there is NOTHING that we have a choice about.

Who we find attractive is a personal opinion.

I merely pointed out that there's plenty things in life where choice plays no part. I didn't say we didn't have the capacity for choice in everything so total hyperbole on your part there.

It isn't personal opinion to find someone attractive. If a woman strikes you as beautiful then you don't make a conscious decision to find her physically attractive. If you deny this then you're just being deliberately obtuse.

 

[annabenedetti]

According to your examples, there is NOTHING that we have a choice about.

Human behavior is a lot more deterministic than most people realize.

 

[Right Divider]

I merely pointed out that there's plenty things in life where choice plays no part. I didn't say we didn't have the capacity for choice in everything so total hyperbole on your part there.

It isn't personal opinion to find someone attractive. If a woman strikes you as beautiful then you don't make a conscious decision to find her physically attractive. If you deny this then you're just being deliberately obtuse.

That we humans respond to physical stimuli, like light (your blue sky trick) or water (your wet trick) is NOT the same as what we find attractive. The former are scientifically verifiable, the later is not.

 

[Right Divider]

Human behavior is a lot more deterministic than most people realize.

Perhaps that is true, but opinions vary on what is actually provable.

You, nor AB, cannot come anywhere close to proving that attraction is predetermined.