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ClimateSanity

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This poem by Emma Lazarus does not mean our immigration policy is to let any and all comers come in unvetted simply because they are poor, tired and huddled. It was never meant to advocate an open borders policy.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/19283...rty-promote-immigration-dumb-elliott-hamilton

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My Bachelor's Degree is in History. Somehow I missed the law passed by Congress and signed by the President that gave Poets control over US Immigration Policy. Perhaps Acosta can point out to me when and how that happened?
 

gcthomas

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A very large number of Americans (20%?) speak English as a second language, so why the focus on Immigrants speaking English? Lots of states publish everything in Spanish and other languages, so a Spanish speaking African could fit right in when moving to California or Texas, for example.

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Given the GOPs previous behaviour, I suspect that Language is really a proxy for ethnicity or religion. The white/Christian majority wants to secure its dominance, of course.
 

ClimateSanity

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A very large number of Americans (20%?) speak English as a second language, so why the focus on Immigrants speaking English? Lots of states publish everything in Spanish and other languages, so a Spanish speaking African could fit right in when moving to California or Texas, for example.

us_non-english_map_2000.jpg


Given the GOPs previous behaviour, I suspect that Language is really a proxy for ethnicity or religion. The white/Christian majority wants to secure its dominance, of course.
Because our goal in immigration should be assimilation. Twenty % of immigrants speaking English is testament to the fact that we no longer assimilate our immigrants.
 

ClimateSanity

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A very large number of Americans (20%?) speak English as a second language, so why the focus on Immigrants speaking English? Lots of states publish everything in Spanish and other languages, so a Spanish speaking African could fit right in when moving to California or Texas, for example.

us_non-english_map_2000.jpg


Given the GOPs previous behaviour, I suspect that Language is really a proxy for ethnicity or religion. The white/Christian majority wants to secure its dominance, of course.
That last sentence makes you as racist as CNNs Acosta. It's rather hateful to equate the desire to have a uniting American culture with being white and Christian.....but your hatred of Christians is already well established on this site.
 

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Canada's Immigration Website Crashes Just As Donald Trump Wins Super Tuesday

Shortly after Donald Trump declared victory on Super Tuesday, the official Canadian immigration website crashed and displayed an error message to users attempting to visit the site. According to Google Trends, the search term "how can I move to Canada" spiked around midnight ET, just as some final results from the Super Tuesday primaries were leaking in. There's no official evidence of causality yet, but the timing of the website crash seems pretty indicative of a lot of scared Americans jokingly or seriously looking to leave the country in the increasingly likely event of a President Trump.

Trump's Super Tuesday performance is definitely a frightening sign for anti-Trumpers.

https://www.bustle.com/articles/145...s-donald-trump-wins-super-tuesday-coincidence

The other unreported "elephant in the room" is the large number of frightened Americans who are deciding as to when enough is enough and that its time to leave!
 

jgarden

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Give me your tired, poor, huddled masses

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If Trump and his supporters are so willing to renounce the sentiments contained in Emma Lazarus's poem, do they possess the "intestinal fortitude" to "put their money where their mouth is" by having it removed from the Statue of Liberty!
 

gcthomas

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That last sentence makes you as racist as CNNs Acosta. It's rather hateful to equate the desire to have a uniting American culture with being white and Christian.....but your hatred of Christians is already well established on this site.

Every time I see a group that agitates against immigrants to preserve a dominant culture have been far-right nationalist groups. You sound like you'd fit in with them just fine.

Leftist paranoia of traditional America is nothing new.

Interesting to see that it is not a general American culture you are trying to defend, but a policto-religious right-wing view of that culture that you'd like to see imposed on everyone who disagrees with you.

Lovely.
 

ClimateSanity

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When did the United States become the Borg? By what decree is assimilation a stated national goal?

Aren't you superimposing your personal preferences just a bit?
What is this Borg you are talking about? A stated national goal? Immigrants always assimilated in the past. Since 1965, that's no longer the case. Has it made life better for citizens already here? I would say no. That should be the purpose of immigration and assimilation helps toward that end. Assimilation is a personal preference??? I would say most Americans want a immigration policy that doesn't hurt current citizens.
 

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Every time I see a group that agitates against immigrants to preserve a dominant culture have been far-right nationalist groups. You sound like you'd fit in with them just fine.



Interesting to see that it is not a general American culture you are trying to defend, but a policto-religious right-wing view of that culture that you'd like to see imposed on everyone who disagrees with you.

Lovely.
Who is agitating against immigrants? All I see is protests against illegal immigration and against a non assimilation type immigration policy.
 

ClimateSanity

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Interesting to see that it is not a general American culture you are trying to defend, but a policto-religious right-wing view of that culture that you'd like to see imposed on everyone who disagrees with you.

Lovely.

There is no view of a culture. It is what it is. I don't want to impose any culture that isn't already there. If you immigrate to our country, you should adopt to our culture. Sharia law is not part of our culture for example.
 

ClimateSanity

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The following from Mike Gonzalez of the heritage foundation.



Patriotic assimilation is the bond that allows America to be a nation of immigrants. Without it, America either ceases to be a nation, becoming instead a hodgepodge of groups—or it becomes a nation that can no longer welcome immigrants. It cannot be both a unified nation and a place that welcomes immigrants without patriotic assimilation.

Over the past few decades, however, America has drifted away from assimilating immigrants. Elites—in the government, the culture, and the academy—have led a push toward multiculturalism, which emphasizes group differences. This transformation has taken place with little input from rank-and-file Americans, who overwhelmingly support assimilation. As Ronald Reagan worried just as it was first getting underway, this tectonic shift that “divides us into minority groups” was initiated by political opportunists “to create voting blocs.” Because presidential elections are times of national conversation, candidates of both parties are now uniquely placed to give the nation the debate on assimilation it has never had. For this, we need a thorough historical understanding of how the United States has dealt with both immigration and ethnic diversity for centuries.

Immigrants from Ireland and Germany began to settle among the original English colonists in Massachusetts, Virginia, and Pennsylvania almost from the start, altering the political outlook of the colonies. Diversity also came through the acquisition of territory. With the addition of New Amsterdam in 1664—later renamed New York—the colonies gained a polyglot city in whose streets 18 languages were spoken.
 

ClimateSanity

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All immigrants faced prejudice and segregation at times. Two early groups, the Germans and the Northern Irish, particularly faced opposition. Benjamin Franklin said of the first, “Why should the Palatine Boors be suffered to swarm into our Settlements?” As for the Northern Irish, in 1720, Boston passed an ordinance that directed “certain families recently arriving from Ireland to move off.” The immigrants overcame such adversity on their own. The Founders would have found repugnant the idea of intervening by giving groups special privileges or benefits.

The Founders worried that diversity could get in the way of national unity. Alexander Hamilton wrote that “the safety of a republic depends essentially on the energy of a common national sentiment; on a uniformity of principles and habits.” Immigrants were welcome, but in the hope that, as Washington put it, they “get assimilated to our customs, measures, and laws: in a word, soon become one people.” Adherence to the universal principles of equality, liberty, and limited government contained in the founding documents, as well as to virtues that made a constitutional republic viable—like frugality, industry, and moderation—would bind Americans together regardless of origin.

Because these principles could not be expected to take root by themselves, a system of so-called Common Schools rose in the early 19th century to educate and assimilate the children of immigrants. Early visitors like Alexis de Tocqueville noted that “in the United States, the instruction of the people powerfully contributes to the support of a democratic republic.”

Immigrants from Northern Europe, who started arriving in large numbers in the 1840s, benefited greatly from these schools. Abraham Lincoln, a great believer in assimilation who fought anti-immigrant forces in the mid-1800s, said it was belief in the sentiments and principles of the Founding that made immigrants Americans. By the 1880s, German-born Wisconsin congressman Richard Guenther was telling crowds, “We are no longer Germans; we are Americans.”

In the 1890s the country experienced a rise in immigration from different sources. Italians, Slavs, Jews, Hungarians, Greeks, Armenians, Lebanese, and others began to enter the country through Ellis Island. They encountered renewed opposition from nativists who said the new arrivals could never be Americanized. Immigrants from Asia fared worse. So-called transnationalists rose, too, to disparage assimilation—in their case because they disdained America and sought instead “a federation of cultures.”

Assimilationist forces stepped in again, this time with such men as Presidents Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, speaking in Boston on July 4, 1915, said that immigrants “must be brought into complete harmony with our ideals and aspirations and cooperate with us for their attainment.”

The assimilationist philosophy of Washington, Hamilton, Lincoln, Roosevelt, and Brandeis remained central to the country for most of the 20th century, until it began to break down in the 1970s. For the past 40 years, America’s new political, educational, corporate, and cultural elites have progressively pushed the country in the opposite direction. This new transnationalism—multiculturalism—is an attempt to make ethnic differences permanent by rewarding separate identities and group attachment with benefits, thus deterring national unity by requiring Americans to remain sorted into separate ethnic categories.
 

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Patriotic Assimilation Is an Indispensable Condition in a Land of Immigrants

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Patriotic assimilation is the bond that allows America to be a nation of immigrants. Without it, America either ceases to be a nation, becoming instead a hodgepodge of groups—or it becomes a nation that can no longer welcome immigrants. It cannot be both a unified nation and a place that welcomes immigrants without patriotic assimilation.

Over the past few decades, however, America has drifted away from assimilating immigrants. Elites—in the government, the culture, and the academy—have led a push toward multiculturalism, which emphasizes group differences. This transformation has taken place with little input from rank-and-file Americans, who overwhelmingly support assimilation. As Ronald Reagan worried just as it was first getting underway, this tectonic shift that “divides us into minority groups” was initiated by political opportunists “to create voting blocs.” Because presidential elections are times of national conversation, candidates of both parties are now uniquely placed to give the nation the debate on assimilation it has never had. For this, we need a thorough historical understanding of how the United States has dealt with both immigration and ethnic diversity for centuries.

Immigrants from Ireland and Germany began to settle among the original English colonists in Massachusetts, Virginia, and Pennsylvania almost from the start, altering the political outlook of the colonies. Diversity also came through the acquisition of territory. With the addition of New Amsterdam in 1664—later renamed New York—the colonies gained a polyglot city in whose streets 18 languages were spoken.

Conservatives have to win the war of ideas on this and every issue—which means changing minds in Congress and among the American people. You can make this happen.*Find out more >>

All immigrants faced prejudice and segregation at times. Two early groups, the Germans and the Northern Irish, particularly faced opposition. Benjamin Franklin said of the first, “Why should the Palatine Boors be suffered to swarm into our Settlements?” As for the Northern Irish, in 1720, Boston passed an ordinance that directed “certain families recently arriving from Ireland to move off.” The immigrants overcame such adversity on their own. The Founders would have found repugnant the idea of intervening by giving groups special privileges or benefits.

The Founders worried that diversity could get in the way of national unity. Alexander Hamilton wrote that “the safety of a republic depends essentially on the energy of a common national sentiment; on a uniformity of principles and habits.” Immigrants were welcome, but in the hope that, as Washington put it, they “get assimilated to our customs, measures, and laws: in a word, soon become one people.” Adherence to the universal principles of equality, liberty, and limited government contained in the founding documents, as well as to virtues that made a constitutional republic viable—like frugality, industry, and moderation—would bind Americans together regardless of origin.

Because these principles could not be expected to take root by themselves, a system of so-called Common Schools rose in the early 19th century to educate and assimilate the children of immigrants. Early visitors like Alexis de Tocqueville noted that “in the United States, the instruction of the people powerfully contributes to the support of a democratic republic.”

Immigrants from Northern Europe, who started arriving in large numbers in the 1840s, benefited greatly from these schools. Abraham Lincoln, a great believer in assimilation who fought anti-immigrant forces in the mid-1800s, said it was belief in the sentiments and principles of the Founding that made immigrants Americans. By the 1880s, German-born Wisconsin congressman Richard Guenther was telling crowds, “We are no longer Germans; we are Americans.”

In the 1890s the country experienced a rise in immigration from different sources. Italians, Slavs, Jews, Hungarians, Greeks, Armenians, Lebanese, and others began to enter the country through Ellis Island. They encountered renewed opposition from nativists who said the new arrivals could never be Americanized. Immigrants from Asia fared worse. So-called transnationalists rose, too, to disparage assimilation—in their case because they disdained America and sought instead “a federation of cultures.”

Assimilationist forces stepped in again, this time with such men as Presidents Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, speaking in Boston on July 4, 1915, said that immigrants “must be brought into complete harmony with our ideals and aspirations and cooperate with us for their attainment.”

The assimilationist philosophy of Washington, Hamilton, Lincoln, Roosevelt, and Brandeis remained central to the country for most of the 20th century, until it began to break down in the 1970s. For the past 40 years, America’s new political, educational, corporate, and cultural elites have progressively pushed the country in the opposite direction. This new transnationalism—multiculturalism—is an attempt to make ethnic differences permanent by rewarding separate identities and group attachment with benefits, thus deterring national unity by requiring Americans to remain sorted into separate ethnic categories.

This new arrangement, dubbed by the historian David A. Hollinger “the ethno-racial pentagon,” divided the country into whites, African-Americans, Hispanics, Asians, and Native Americans. This unheard-of division of America into official groups was taking place just as the country was about to absorb the biggest wave of immigrants since the Ellis Islanders of 1890–1924. Changes in immigration law in the mid-1960s ended restrictionist policies and led to the next surge in immigration, this time largely from Latin America and Asia. As they arrived, new immigrants discovered they would be considered “minorities,” conceptually precluding from the start their full assimilation into the larger society.

As Nathan Glazer put it in 1988, “We had seen many groups become part of the United States through immigration, and we had seen each in turn overcoming some degree of discrimination to become integrated into American society. This process did not seem to need the active involvement of government, determining the proper degree of participation of each group in employment and education.”

Special treatment for specific groups by the federal bureaucracy implies betrayal and rejection of the principles espoused by every American leader from Washington through Reagan. This approach has contaminated our schools, preventing them from teaching civic principles and reverence for the nation—including lessons on how those principles have helped leaders repair the nation’s faults. The new approach also threatens the cherished American principle of equal treatment under the law.
 

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This radical reordering was a top-down effort, not a response to a demand from below. PayPal founder Peter Thiel and Internet entrepreneur David O. Sacks, among others, call multiculturalism a “word game” that hides a “comprehensive and detailed worldview” that is used by American leftists to introduce radical policy ideas when “an honest discussion would not lead to results that fit the desired agenda.” As John Skrentny described it, “t is striking that the civil-rights administrators—without any public debate, data, or legal basis—decided on an ethnoracial standard for victimhood and discrimination that officially divided the country into oppressed (blacks, Latinos, Native American, Asian Americans) and oppressors (all white non-Latinos).”

America owes itself an open, honest debate on multiculturalism and assimilation. Presidential candidates should ask the following five questions: (1) Why does the government need to divide Americans into demographic categories based on racialist thinking? (2) Can any society survive a sustained denigration of its history and principles through indoctrination in schools and universities? (3) Why should we continue to let the teachers unions block meaningful school-choice reform which would help to liberate immigrants from factors that threaten to relegate them to a permanent subordinate class? (4) Should the country strengthen citizenship requirements in order to make naturalization truly transformative? (5) Should the government continue policies that harm family formation and church participation, knowing that families and churches have historically been incubators of Americanization?
 

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Candidates should not be intimidated. The vast majority of Americans support Americanization. Patriotic assimilation is a liberating, welcoming action, a proposition only a nation like America can confidently offer those born overseas. Previous waves of immigrants have found the correct balance between keeping their traditions and adopting America’s virtues, between pride in their ancestry and love of their new country. The new wave of immigrants can do the same.

A Nation of Immigrants

Even before the United States was the United States, it was a nation of immigrants. Small numbers of Irish settlers made their homes in Massachusetts and Virginia as early as the 1630s. Fifty years later, German Pietists and other religious dissenters started pouring into provincial Pennsylvania to seek freedom of conscience in William Penn’s Quaker experimental colony.[1]*The first permanent settlement comprised 13 families of Dutch-speaking Mennonites from Krefeld who arrived on July 24, 1683, in what is today appropriately known as Germantown, Pennsylvania.[2]*Germans continued to arrive in Pennsylvania in the 18th century at the rate of about 2,000 a year,[3]*so that by 1790—two years after the Constitution was ratified—ethnic Germans made up one-third of the state of Pennsylvania and about 7 percent of the entire population of the newly constituted United States.[4]Along the way, they changed the politics of the colony. In one of the first partisan divisions in the colonies, they sided in the 1720s with the Quaker party, with whom they shared social tenets, against the Gentleman’s party, “composed principally of Anglican merchants, seamen and Scots-Irish immigrants”[5]—giving the Quakers prohibitive electoral majorities in the Provincial Assembly until the 1750s.
 

ClimateSanity

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As for diversity, both immigration and territorial acquisition ensured its presence in America from the start. When the English acquired New Amsterdam in 1664 (which they renamed New York), they inherited a polyglot city in whose streets, according to visiting French Jesuit Isaac Jogues in 1643, 18 languages were spoken.[6]*The city also already included an important Jewish community.[7]*By 1790, Americans of English stock were already a minority (49.2 percent of the population) throughout the country.[8]

The Challenges of Diversity

As a result of its diverse composition, America benefited early on from the advantages that come with the meeting and blending of cultures. The nation also learned how to deal with the threats to national identity that accompany a regular influx of newcomers. Benjamin Franklin, for example, admired the thrift and industry of ethnic Germans in Pennsylvania, but famously worried about their refusal to speak the national language—English—and the impact they were having on the electoral process. In a 1753 letter to the botanist Peter Collinson, Franklin wrote:

The rest found here:

http://www.heritage.org/immigration...ation-indispensable-condition-land-immigrants
 

gcthomas

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There is no view of a culture. It is what it is. I don't want to impose any culture that isn't already there. If you immigrate to our country, you should adopt to our culture. Sharia law is not part of our culture for example.

Sharia is already part of the American culture, whether you like it or not. It is being used to settle disputes in a way that is entirely compatible with the civil courts and the Constitution. You do agree that people in the US should be able to do what they like within the law, don't you?
 
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