Beloved57s actual response to verses like the ones you posted:
And then the inevitable;
"I see nothing about free will in that."
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Beloved57s actual response to verses like the ones you posted:
And then the inevitable;
"I see nothing about free will in that."
In other words, "I SEE NO ELEPHANT!!!"Beloved57s actual response to verses like the ones you posted:
And then the inevitable;
"I see nothing about free will in that."
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beloved57
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That scripture condemns the false teaching that man has a freewill!
It can't change him.
He's a programmed predetermined automaton who has no choice regarding the things which he believes or says.
# Crying from laughter
beloved57
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I just quoted a scripture and you ran from it. Jn 6:44!
Not only were they given the capacity to make their own choice and decision but also their own laws and lies
Eve said Yah said not to even touch the fruit...that was a lie...they were told they could not eat the fruit...
Sadly Man has continued to alter the rules and make up their own ever since...
Eagles Wings
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I completely agree with her statement. You seem to be a clever person, with some whit. The constant sarcasm and put downs of Nang, keep me from taking you seriously. I have many on ignore for this very reason.
Recently someone called me a liar and did not truly want to consider my position. I have a good boundary for people like that and it is the ignore button.
I find that when an anti-Calvinist asks a question, it is usually not sincere. Your mind is already made up and now the goal is to smear the theology.
I prefer a well organized youtube debate where the subjects are required to be respectful.
So, I don't spend much time here defending Reformed Theology.
I could easily see how the context of predestination could be drawn from this. I would be more likely to apply this to irresistible grace.
Your assertion is that in "draw" and "no one", it is implying that God only called the saved. But how do you explain that all humanity is born with a sense of God in their heart? Eccles. 3:11
Doesn't this again denote that He draws all, but some simply reject that draw?
If he desires that 2 Pet. 3:9 all should have eternal life, why would he merely call "some". Wouldn't this be a contradiction of the will of God?
How so? Are you saying that that passage is telling us that God predestined babies to be sacrificed on the altar to Molech?
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beloved57
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Man by his own freewill can't come to Christ! Jn 6:44
beloved57
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Dumb question. What scripture says that men have a freewill?
Eagles Wings,
I step from my veil of whit. Nang is harsh with people and so I communicate in a way that they clearly understand.
If you write me off, I understand. I genuinely have no ill words or sarcasm for you.
God bless you Eagles Wings
But the choice to come to Christ is man's. Once a man knocks, then Christ opens the door.
The draw is God, but the choice to accept that draw is man's.
It really isn't a dumb question. How far is life "pre-determined" for us in your opinion?
beloved57
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Man can't come to Christ! Jn 6:44
Jamie Gigliotti
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If it was not possible to resist the Holy Spirit, why did Paul warn against it.
Of course God draws us, but it is an interactive experience. As James said, "draw near to God and God will draw near to you"; Jesus said seek and you will find.
The problem is the reformation was so afraid of works salvation that they have gone off the deep end. Choosing to repent, trust God isnt an act of pride or power its the choice to need God, His love, His power, His fellowship. True Humility is chosen and demanded by God.
If man cannot come to Christ, then why does Christ ask man to come to Him?
Jn 6:37
Matt 11:28