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You go against people who say they repented of their sins. You say they are NOT saved.

Number 1 Nobody can repent as repentance is worked by a power that is great enough to raise the dead. The dead cannot raise themselves.

Number 2 Anyone who thinks they have repented themselves has not found the strait gate.

Number 3 I say categorically and without any fear of contradiction that the works of men do not save.
 

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Number 1 Nobody can repent as repentance is worked by a power that is great enough to raise the dead. The dead cannot raise themselves.

Number 2 Anyone who thinks they have repented themselves has not found the strait gate.

Number 3 I say categorically and without any fear of contradiction that the works of men do not save.
 

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Repent and believe and accept Christ's forgiveness to be saved.

So are you admitting that you repented of your SINS so that you could be saved? Just answer yes or no.

No, they go against you for saying that "repent" always means "repent of sins" when it does not.
I said when it comes to HUMANS it is.
You need to pay attention better if you want to try to correct someone.

God does NOT tell any human to repent of GOOD.
"Repent" means to turn away from, but the meaning of the word does not specify what is being turned away from.

Are you really that ignorant? The Bible tells us many times that we have to repent OF SINS.

Luke 17:3 So watch yourselves. “If your brother or sister sins against you, rebuke them; and if they repent,forgive them.

Luke 17:4 Even if they sin against you seven times in a day and seven times come back to you saying ‘I repent,’ you must forgive them.”

Revelation 9:20 The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the works of their hands. They did not stop worshiping demons and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone, and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk. 21Furthermore, they did not repent of their murder, sorcery, sexual immorality, and theft.

1 Kings 8:47 and if they have a change of heart in the land where they are held captive, and repent and plead with you in the land of their captors and say, ‘We have sinned, we have done wrong, we have acted wickedly’;

2 Chronicles 6:37 and if they have a change of heart in the land wherethey are held captive, and repent and plead with you in the land of their captivity and say, ‘We have sinned, we have done wrong and acted wickedly’;

Isaiah 59:20 “The Redeemer will come to Zion, to those in Jacob who repent of their sins,” declares the Lord.

Jeremiah 8:6 I have listened attentively, but they do not say what is right. None of them repent of their wickedness, saying, “What have I done?” Each pursues their own course like a horse charging into battle.

Ezekiel 18:30 “Therefore, you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall.

Revelation 16:11 and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done.

2 Corinthians 12:21 I am afraid that when I come again my God will humble me before you, and I will be grieved over many who have sinned earlier and have not repented of the impurity, sexual sin and debauchery in which they have indulged.


I have proved to you easily with many
scriptures that we are to REPENT OF SINS.
Now you have the truth in front of you.
Will you choose to believe and obey God, or not?

Because Abraham is the father of two peoples, of two covenants, one of grace and one of circumcision, which is the law.


Grace:
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After these things the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision, saying, “Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward.”But Abram said, “Lord God, what will You give me, seeing I go childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?”Then Abram said, “Look, You have given me no offspring; indeed one born in my house is my heir!”And behold, the word of the Lord came to him, saying, “This one shall not be your heir, but one who will come from your own body shall be your heir.”Then He brought him outside and said, “Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.”And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.Then He said to him, “I am the Lord, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land to inherit it.”And he said, “Lord God, how shall I know that I will inherit it?”So He said to him, “Bring Me a three-year-old heifer, a three-year-old female goat, a three-year-old ram, a turtledove, and a young pigeon.”Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, down the middle, and placed each piece opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds in two.And when the vultures came down on the carcasses, Abram drove them away.Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, horror and great darkness fell upon him.Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years.And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions.Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age.But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces.On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying: “To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates—the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites,the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim,the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.” - Genesis 15:1-21 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis15:1-21&version=NKJV


Circumcision:
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When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless.And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly.”Then Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying:“As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations.No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations.I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you.And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you.Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”And God said to Abraham: “As for you, you shall keep My covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations.This is My covenant which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male child among you shall be circumcised;and you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between Me and you.He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised, every male child in your generations, he who is born in your house or bought with money from any foreigner who is not your descendant.He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised, and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.And the uncircumcised male child, who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant.”Then God said to Abraham, “As for Sarai your wife, you shall not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall be her name.And I will bless her and also give you a son by her; then I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of peoples shall be from her.”Then Abraham fell on his face and laughed, and said in his heart, “Shall a child be born to a man who is one hundred years old? And shall Sarah, who is ninety years old, bear a child? ”And Abraham said to God, “Oh, that Ishmael might live before You!”Then God said: “No, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his descendants after him.And as for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall beget twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.But My covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah shall bear to you at this set time next year.”Then He finished talking with him, and God went up from Abraham.So Abraham took Ishmael his son, all who were born in his house and all who were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham’s house, and circumcised the flesh of their foreskins that very same day, as God had said to him.Abraham was ninety-nine years old when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.That very same day Abraham was circumcised, and his son Ishmael;and all the men of his house, born in the house or bought with money from a foreigner, were circumcised with him. - Genesis 17:1-27 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis17:1-27&version=NKJV


Christians are under the covenant of Grace given to Abraham.


18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

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22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.


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24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.


Did you read that?

That scripture says the faith that is spoken of, the faith of Abraham, IT IS FAITH WITH OBEDIENCE.
 

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Number 1 Nobody can repent as repentance is worked by a power that is great enough to raise the dead. The dead cannot raise themselves.

Number 2 Anyone who thinks they have repented themselves has not found the strait gate.

Number 3 I say categorically and without any fear of contradiction that the works of men do not save.

Again, something you cannot ever do and that is to give the scripture that would prove your idiot beliefs.

Give the scripture that says God saves unbelievers.

Give the scripture that even suggests or implies that there was a person whom God saved that never believed first.
 

Truster

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The Eternal Almighty commands all men to repent and trust. No man has ever possessed the power that would enable him to do so. The Almighty commands men to be holy as He is holy. No man is capable of doing so.
 

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Again, something you cannot ever do and that is to give the scripture that would prove your idiot beliefs.

Give the scripture that says God saves unbelievers.

Give the scripture that even suggests or implies that there was a person whom God saved that never believed first.


I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
 

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When Yah Shua heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
 

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The Eternal Almighty commands all men to repent and trust. No man has ever possessed the power that would enable him to do so. The Almighty commands men to be holy as He is holy. No man is capable of doing so.

Give the scripture that says that no man can repent of their sins without first being saved.

Give the scripture that says they cannot, and give the scripture that says God saves unbelievers.
 

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When they heard these things they fell silent. And they glorified God, saying, “Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life.”
 

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For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”

The lost is about those who do right and fear God and need a Shepherd.

The lost are not those who do not believe and do not repent of sins.

The Bible says the gospel has been sent for those who do right and fear God.

The Bible says that all who do right and fear Him are the ones who are accepted.

Acts 10:35 but that in every nation those who fear Him and live good lives are acceptable to Him.

Acts 13:26 "Fellow children of Abraham and you God-fearing Gentiles, it is to us that this message of salvation has been sent.


Jesus says there are people ON THE SIDE OF TRUTH.
Jesus says that those are the people who come to him.


John 18:37 Everyone on the side of truth listens to me."

John 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.
 

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The lost is about those who do right and fear God and need a Shepherd.

The lost are not those who do not believe and do not repent of sins.

The Bible says the gospel has been sent for those who do right and fear God.

The Bible says that all who do right and fear Him are the ones who are accepted.

Acts 10:35 but that in every nation those who fear Him and live good lives are acceptable to Him.

Acts 13:26 "Fellow children of Abraham and you God-fearing Gentiles, it is to us that this message of salvation has been sent.


Jesus says there are people ON THE SIDE OF TRUTH.
Jesus says that those are the people who come to him.


John 18:37 Everyone on the side of truth listens to me."

John 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.

yhahahahahahahaaaahhhh.......:vomit:
 

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No man can come to me unless my Father draw them.

That is when Jesus walked the earth, for ONLY those who ALREADY had faith in God could come to Jesus to be saved. They were God's and they now had to go through Jesus to remain God's. God cut off all the Jews who did not already have faith before Jesus came. God cut off and hardened the Jews who did not have faith, but after he is crucified, they too could come to Jesus if they do not persist in unbelief, but they had to wait until after Jesus was crucified.

Jesus says that when he is crucified, then HE WILL DRAW ALL.

Paul calls it first Jews then Gentiles.


Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

Acts 3:26 When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways."

Romans 2:9
There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile;

Matthew 15:24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."
 

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That is when Jesus walked the earth, for ONLY those who ALREADY had faith in God could come to Jesus to be saved. They were God's and they now had to go through Jesus to remain God's. God cut off all the Jews who did not already have faith before Jesus came. God cut off and hardened the Jews who did not have faith, but after he is crucified, they too could come to Jesus if they do not persist in unbelief, but they had to wait until after Jesus was crucified.

Jesus says that when he is crucified, then HE WILL DRAW ALL.

Paul calls it first Jews then Gentiles.


Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

Acts 3:26 When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways."

Romans 2:9
There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile;

Matthew 15:24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."

We'll see...
 
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