Forced Immunizations

glorydaz

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It's a real issue, but the "slippery slope" argument is a bit far fetched. One can use that to argue against any minor thing. "If you let people yell at each other, it's a slippery slope to murder."

The coercion in this case is limiting who can go to public schools or childcare. It takes a lot of imagination to think that will lead to genocide. And there is the question of the rights of the other children in the class.

It's a complex question- how to handle things when public health and civil rights conflict. I don't know of a simple answer to this, but admitting that it is a complex problem would be a good place to start. Claiming that this will lead to genocide is not very helpful in this discussion.

Parents do see it as a slippery slope. When the state takes away the rights of parents to make medical decisions for their child, it will not stop with forced immunizations. We've see it begin with CPS taking children away from parents who home school. Those same children have been victims of foster care providers.
 

glorydaz

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Only to those who don’t have any idea of the scope of the spirit of antichrist in this age, and the agendas that are in place at very high levels. And it’s not a difficult civil rights issue at all. Forcible vaccinations (not to be confused with immunizations) are an abhorrent atrocity against individual liberty (not that much of anything isn’t at this point in the 1984/Brave New World/Idiocracy confluence that is modern enculturated pseudo-reality).

There are already many forms of slow genocide. There’s no money in medical cures, only in extended treatment of symptoms, etc. The old and sick are already being marginalized, and legislation is here and/or coming for several heinous purposes that distill to areas of gradual genocide.

I’m not really concerned whether you or others know much about things like UN Agenda 2030, but significant worldwide depopulation is definitely one of the primary goals of the “elite” going into the next decade.

People have to be blind not to see what's going on. :sigh:
 

Gary K

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Anyone who is convinced the medical establishment in this world is out for the benefit of their patients, and not themselves, is putting their heads where the sun doesn't shine.

Here's my experience. Twenty years ago I was diagnosed as a diabetic. I went through several stages of medications. Last summer I was using 200 units of insulin a day. I had irresisitable cravings for carbohydrates and my eating habits were completely out of control. I weighed 345 lbs and if full of fluids. My legs from hips to feet were badly swollen. I had so much fluid in my lungs I could hardly breath while lying down. I was on the downhill train to death in a very short period. My knees were so arthritic I could only walk a very short distance.

I stopped taking insulin around the first of July. In 3 days I had lost 40 lbs. It was all fluid. My feet and legs were down to normal size. I could breathe lying down without any problems whatsoever. In other words, the insulin was making me retain so much fluid that even with the max dosage of diuretics my body couldn't keep up with the fluid retention caused by the insulin.

Today I weight 232 lbs. In 8 months I've lost 113 lbs. My appetite is under control. I practice intermittent fasting and am a eating healthy diet. My cravings for carbs is gone. On the days I eat I eat a healthy 2000 calories a day. My blood glucose average is down to 152 from 450. I walk anywhere from 2 - 3.5 miles a day. I feel better than I've felt in 2 decades. And I take no medications whatsoever that are related to diabetes. I've also dropped one of my blood pressure meds as when I take it my blood pressure drops to 110/65 and even lower. It averages 130/85 without it.

Here's why. Type 2 diabetes is what I have and that is a condition in which a person has too much insulin in their blood stream. That condition is created by something called insulin resistance. Think of it like what happens to an alcoholic. Their bodies build up a resistance to alcohol and it takes more and more alcohol for the same effect. That overload of insulin causes the body to crave carbohydrates which raise the blood sugar levels which causes more insulin to be released by the pancreas. It's a vicious cycle. So what does the medical establishment do to treat diabetes? They prescribe drugs that increase the level of insulin produced by the pancreas until the body becomes resistant to the that level of insulin that it can't reduce the blood glucose levels. The next step is the injection of synthetic insulin. After a while that doesn't work either. But that is how the medical establishment treats diabetes. It's like treating an alcoholic with whiskey. All it does is raise the level of the poison that is killing the individual higher and higher and cause them to eat more and gain more weight creating even further insulin resistance. It's a vicious cycle guarranteed to kill the patient over the long term.

Diabetes, type 2 anyway, is a disease caused by dietary problems. It's created by diet. The medical community tells it's patients it's a "progressive" disease and you just need to keep on taking your medications even after the patient has lost feet, limbs, eyes, had heart attacks, and suffered all kinds of related medical issues. Diabetes is NOT a progressive disease. It is easily treatable and it is NOT a life sentence no matter what the medical establishment tells you. My life is living proof and there are thousands of people like me who have reversed their diabetes and are no longer diabetic.

By the way, I started with what I now treat myself with the end of February of this year. Since then I've dropped my average glucose numbers from 300 to the 152 it is today. That's a little over 1 month, and the doctor told me I couldn't do it. It just wasn't possible. Today I treat myself by taking 4 or 5 tablespoons of brewer's yeast and fasting a couple of days a week along with eating a diet high in complex carbohydrates(lots of veggies), eating healthy fats like those in nuts and avocados, and high protein foods. The brewer's yeast is high in chromium which diabetics always have low levels of in their bodies. Chromium is a must for stable blood sugars. It's what the body uses to keep them stable. The body doesn't use chromium very efficiently from supplements or the regular diet. It can only make use of 0.3% to maybe 2% of the daily intake from those sources. The bioavailability of the chromium in brewers yeast is 10 times greater so brewers yeast is the best source to use to increase the level of chromium in the body.

I know I'd have been dead by now had I kept on following the doctor's instructions. However, I now can see light at the end of the tunnel. My health is coming back. My body is healing itself. I just had to put the right things in it and stop taking the poisons the medical establishment prescribes. Diabetes isn't the only condition they treat exactly backwards. They treat symptoms rather than diseases and they influence of big pharma over the medical establishment is an evil cannot be underestimated. The treatments for diabetes are a good example of how the drugs the pharmaceutical companies create the medical establisment prescribes create a system of patients who return year after year a having the finances drained and their health and body ruined by the drugs they are given when they could be cured of diabetes in a matter of weeks or months and live healthy productive lives for many years afterwards.
 

chair

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Anyone who is convinced the medical establishment in this world is out for the benefit of their patients, and not themselves, is putting their heads where the sun doesn't shine.

Here's my experience. Twenty years ago I was diagnosed as a diabetic....

You have a lousy doctor, if he didn't tell you to control your diet. Or you didn't really hear him, because you didn't want to. The importance of diet in diabetes is very well known in the medical community. Nobody is keeping it a secret in order to sell more insulin. That doesn't indict the entire medical community.
 

Gary K

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You have a lousy doctor, if he didn't tell you to control your diet. Or you didn't really hear him, because you didn't want to. The importance of diet in diabetes is very well known in the medical community. Nobody is keeping it a secret in order to sell more insulin. That doesn't indict the entire medical community.

Do you know what the main side effect of every diabetes medication prescribed is? Weight gain. Do you know what weight gain does to the body? It increases insulin resistance. What does increased insulin resistance and higher levels of insulin in the body do? Create food cravings for the very foods a diabetic should never eat: refined carbohydrates. So the very drugs prescribed worsen the disease.... That indicts the entire medical establishment. It is exactly the wrong way to treat diabetes. It's like having a fever because you have an infection and the doctor paying attention to the fever only. If the infection itself isn't treated--the insulin resistance not addressed by lowering insulin resistance--the medical condition will either cripple you or kill you.

If you are not a diabetic and have not taken the prescriptions you do not understand the power of the cravings created by the medications. I simply could not control them until I stopped the medications. As soon as I stopped the medications I could control my diet. I would eat 4000 calories for breakfast and 90 minutes later be so hungry I had to eat. I thought I was a moral cripple because of it. But it wasn't me. It was the drugs I was taking for as soon as I stopped them the irresistible cravings stopped and I could control my diet. The drugs themselves create a huge problem. That is an indictment of the medical community's methods of treatment. The side effect of the retention of fluids is also well known in the medical community. Every diabetic who has had the disease for a few years takes diuretics for fluid retention and th fluid retention increases with the increased dosages of the medications. That in itself can kill a person.

The very fact that my diabetes has improved, and that my overall health is greatly improved once I stopped taking the medical establishment's prescribed drugs is the proof of the harm the drugs do to the diabetic. I could not lose weight before. I had been trying for 20 years to do that and it just wasn't possible. The very day I stopped taking the drugs my health began to turn around and I started losing weight.

The American Diabetes Association says the average glucose level needs to be below 154: the equivalent of a 7.0 aic reading. I have achieved that in less than two months once I learned what I needed to do for myself. And the medical establishment says the doctors who use fasting, supplements, enzymes, etc... to treat diabetes are charlatans or crazy. Yet those doctors are the only ones who are getting their patient's health to improve to the point of the patient no longer needing the drugs or even being considered diabetics any more. They are reversing what the medical establishment says is irreversible. That is an indictment of big pharma and the medical establishment.

It's like the AMA suing the doctor in Texas who was curing people of cancer back in the 1950s. They sued him multiple times and he won every case by treating patients that the AMA brought into the court cases and curing them. Why was he sued by the AMA? Because the doctors who started the AMA wanted to buy his herbal formula and he wouldn't sell it to them unless they would sign a binding agreement to make the treatment available at a price everyone could afford. This is a famous situation and HBO did a documentary on it back in the 1980s. This doctor successfully treated many thousands of people and his reward from the medical establishment? They pulled his medical license and called him a quack. That is an indictment of the medical establishment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrZDb-qHJW8
 

Gary K

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Now I will tell you of my mother's experience with the medical establishment.

When she was in her mid sixties her doctor diagnosed her with congestive heart failure and gave her 3 months to live. He and told her to go home, relax, take her meds and just get ready to die. It made her mad. So, she went to an alternative health clinic that treated congestive heart failure with nothing but diet and exercise. She only lived 32 times longer than the medical establishment gave her to live. She got to see her youngest grandchildren grow up and she died with a smile on her face.

Her MD would have denied her that opportunity. That is an indictment of the medical establishment for that doctor medicated her just like he was taught to during all those years he spent in the medical educational system. He treated the symptoms only, not the underlying causes, nor did he tell her how to use nutrition to extend her life. He thought that was pure idiocy when she told him what she was going to do. Just like my doctor told me it was pure foolishness to think I could reverse my diabetes after all these years of taking destructive drugs.
 

Omniskeptical

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Yeah, what do they know...

It takes between 11 and 15 years to meet all the education and training requirements to become a medical doctor. This includes an undergraduate degree, medical school and a residency...
https://study.com/training_needed_to_become_a_doctor.html

Yeah, but if you do it Obamacare which is certain in this case, the doctor can try something which is really proven to work or is expensive. So remember to trust the doctor since he is usually wrong.

[The expensive cure is not always the best cure.]
 
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chair

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Yeah, but if you do it Obamacare which is certain in this case, the doctor can try something which is really proven to work or is expensive. So remember to trust the doctor since he is usually wrong.

No, they are usually right, or at least make the best decisions they can in uncertain circumstances. Individual anecdotes showing that some doctor made a mistake and harmed a patient, or individual doctors who just aren't any good, don't change the basic facts and statistics.

Speaking of which- the two greatest achievements of modern medicine are good sanitation and vaccinations. Those two have done more good for public health than anything else I can think of.
 

Omniskeptical

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No, they are usually right, ...

Speaking of which- the two greatest achievements of modern medicine are good sanitation and vaccinations. Those two have done more good for public health than anything else I can think of.

Vaccinations are the product of finding what antibiotic works; the vaccines unless their are antibiotics in them don't fail work at all; but sanitation which is in the hebrew does.
 

chair

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Vaccinations are the product of finding what antibiotic works; the vaccines unless their are antibiotics in them don't fail work at all; but sanitation which is in the hebrew does.

I think i don't understand what you are saying. Are you saying that vaccinations only work if they are combined with antibiotics?

also- what is the reference to hebrew about?
 

Omniskeptical

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I think i don't understand what you are saying. Are you saying that vaccinations only work if they are combined with antibiotics?

also- what is the reference to hebrew about?

No, it either historical about faking knowledge about antibiotics, or peddling around with biohazards in hope for cures, and preventatives measures. Antibiotics work on different diseases, and vaccines are a rude cause of disease.

I wonder if the push to use antibiotics less is really an attempt to sell more worthless vaccines.

Lastly, sanitation is practiced in the Hebrew bible.
 
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chair

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No, it either historical about faking knowledge about antibiotics, or peddling around with biohazards in hope for cures, and preventatives measures. Antibiotic work on different diseases, and vaccines are a rude cause of disease.

I wonder if the push to use antibiotics less is really an attempt to sell more worthless vaccines.

Lastly, sanitation is practiced in the Hebrew bible.

I think you are beyond any form of rational discussion.
Sanitation is mentioned once in the Hebrew Bible, in the context of war.
 

Omniskeptical

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I think you are beyond any form of rational discussion.
Sanitation is mentioned once in the Hebrew Bible, in the context of war.

Purification is mentioned several times in the Hebrew Bible. I dare you to take the measles vaccine the old fashion way also.

And if you don't care for anyone's opinion here, why do you bother?
 

chair

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Purification is mentioned several times in the Hebrew Bible. I dare you to take the measles vaccine the old fashion way also.

And if you don't care for anyone's opinion here, why do you bother?

Purification is a religious thing, not hygienic. But OK
I care for some people's opinion here, and argue with some that I disagree with. I can't argue with someone who has a completely confused view of a subject.
 

PneumaPsucheSoma

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“Once the herd accepts mandatory forcible vaccination, it’s game over! They will accept anything - forcible blood or organ donation - for the “greater good”. We can genetically modify children and sterilize them - for the “greater good”.

Control sheep minds and you control the herd. Vaccine makers stand to make billions, and many of you in this room today are investors. It’s a big win-win. We thin out the herd and the herd pays us for providing extermination services. Now, what’s for lunch, huh?” -Henry Kissinger
 

chair

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“Once the herd accepts mandatory forcible vaccination, it’s game over! They will accept anything - forcible blood or organ donation - for the “greater good”. We can genetically modify children and sterilize them - for the “greater good”.

Control sheep minds and you control the herd. Vaccine makers stand to make billions, and many of you in this room today are investors. It’s a big win-win. We thin out the herd and the herd pays us for providing extermination services. Now, what’s for lunch, huh?” -Henry Kissinger

YOu have a solid source for this supposed quote?
 

Omniskeptical

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Purification is a religious thing, not hygienic. But OK
I care for some people's opinion here, and argue with some that I disagree with. I can't argue with someone who has a completely confused view of a subject.

You never thank anybody, so you are confused not me.
 
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