glorydaz
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Yeah, like those horrible measles. :rotfl:
Get the measles you're over it in two weeks.
Get the shots and you're brain damaged for life.
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Yeah, like those horrible measles. :rotfl:
Get the measles you're over it in two weeks.
Get the shots and you're brain damaged for life.
I don't know what shape you're in, but I can assure you it has nothing to do with vaccines. All they do is protect from disease.
glorydaz
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Same with discipline and education. Almost gone.
Have you had the MMR vaccination? If so, did it damage your brain for life?
Must. Be. Polite...
:crackup:
PneumaPsucheSoma
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Rather than have Vaxxers continuously spewing preferences with nothing but anecdotal references, it would be nice if they could ever produce any studies and results from an unbiased source.
But since that’s not possible, all we’ll get is perpetual subjective opinions without ANY absolute evidence that ANY and ALL current vaccinations are even effective against whatever they’re administered for, OR providing evidence that there are NO dangerous side-effects from any of them.
Start there.
But since that’s not possible, all we’ll get is perpetual subjective opinions without ANY absolute evidence that ANY and ALL current vaccinations are even effective against whatever they’re administered for, OR providing evidence that there are NO dangerous side-effects from any of them.
Start there.
In defiance of US law HHS has not safety tested vaccines since the mid 1980s.
https://healthimpactnews.com/2018/hhs-sued-for-not-upholding-vaccine-safety-testing-mandated-by-law/
Vaccines found to be contaminated with all kinds of foreign substances not listed in the product labels. Italian police shut the two scientists down and confiscated all their computers and lab equipment after they published their findings.
https://needtoknow.news/2017/09/study-shows-vaccines-contaminated-toxic/
A list of studies that show links between autism and the substances found in vaccines.
https://www.learntherisk.org/autism/
Leading defender of vaccines signs sworn statement linking autism to vaccinations.
https://www.autismeye.com/vaccine-inoculations-autism/
CDC has been covering up evidence of the dangers of vaccines for years.
https://kellybroganmd.com/cdc-youre-fired-autism-coverup-exposed/
https://www.naturalnews.com/046535_MMR_vaccines_autism_CDC_whistleblower.html
https://healthimpactnews.com/2018/hhs-sued-for-not-upholding-vaccine-safety-testing-mandated-by-law/
Vaccines found to be contaminated with all kinds of foreign substances not listed in the product labels. Italian police shut the two scientists down and confiscated all their computers and lab equipment after they published their findings.
https://needtoknow.news/2017/09/study-shows-vaccines-contaminated-toxic/
A list of studies that show links between autism and the substances found in vaccines.
https://www.learntherisk.org/autism/
Leading defender of vaccines signs sworn statement linking autism to vaccinations.
https://www.autismeye.com/vaccine-inoculations-autism/
CDC has been covering up evidence of the dangers of vaccines for years.
https://kellybroganmd.com/cdc-youre-fired-autism-coverup-exposed/
https://www.naturalnews.com/046535_MMR_vaccines_autism_CDC_whistleblower.html
Aimiel
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There's plenty of those, carved into stone, all over the world, they're called: graveyards. When vaccines were first invented, infant, child, youth and even adult deaths declined rapidly; just like when doctors first started washing their hands before baby deliveries and maintaining sterile conditions. It all came after the discovery of microbes.
PneumaPsucheSoma
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LOL. Yeah, that’s a fine controlled study instead of merely speculative revisionist anecdotes.
Things like this are the reasons for the above, not bazillions of untested vaccines with ridiculous side effects and worse.
I've been chatting a fair amount with some Libertarians in another forum about parental rights and forced immunizations, so this thread caught my eye.
Let's start off with this link that you posted.
The National Autism Association isn't of the belief that vaccines cause autism.
http://nationalautismassociation.org/resources/autism-fact-sheet/
I found this interesting: According to the National Autism Association, autism appears 4 times more in boys than girls. It seem to me that if vaccinations were the cause, or triggered autism, both genders would contract it equally.
Regarding studies:
The Autism-Vaccine Myth
The assertion that vaccines could be linked to autism burst onto the international stage with the 1998 publication of a paper in the British journal The Lancet. Sensationalist media coverage of the claim followed. The paper, which suggested a link between the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism, was eventually retracted in 2010. Even before the complete retraction, however, in 2004, ten of the paper's 13 authors cosigned a partial retraction of its main interpretation.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/autism-vaccine-myth/
Let's start off with this link that you posted.
The National Autism Association isn't of the belief that vaccines cause autism.
http://nationalautismassociation.org/resources/autism-fact-sheet/
I found this interesting: According to the National Autism Association, autism appears 4 times more in boys than girls. It seem to me that if vaccinations were the cause, or triggered autism, both genders would contract it equally.
Regarding studies:
The Autism-Vaccine Myth
The assertion that vaccines could be linked to autism burst onto the international stage with the 1998 publication of a paper in the British journal The Lancet. Sensationalist media coverage of the claim followed. The paper, which suggested a link between the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism, was eventually retracted in 2010. Even before the complete retraction, however, in 2004, ten of the paper's 13 authors cosigned a partial retraction of its main interpretation.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/autism-vaccine-myth/
From your article:
Governmental preemption of patients’ or parents’ decisions about accepting drugs or other medical interventions is a serious intrusion into individual liberty, autonomy, and parental decisions about child-rearing.
The question that needs to be asked (and I've asked this in other Libertarian/Libertarian leaning forums) is:
Does someone have a right to contract a potentially deadly and contagious disease?
glorydaz
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The "potentially deadly" part is super hyped in most cases (such as measles, chicken pox etc), and contracting the measles and other of the normal childhood diseases is a great immune booster. What the vaccines do not guarantee, having had the disease does guarantee...an immunity.
Arthur Brain
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There has to be some grounds for sense around the issue IMO. It's going back a while but when I was an infant I was given one of three immunizations against whooping cough and had an adverse reaction to it. The doctor warned (and wow, am I setting myself up here) that I could suffer brain damage if the remaining procedures were to be given. So they weren't and I got the thing. Probably mentioned it before on here but it sure wasn't fun but I don't blame my parents for deciding to go against further treatments.
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
The question that needs to be asked (and I've asked this in other Libertarian/Libertarian leaning forums) is:
Does someone have a right to contract a potentially deadly and contagious disease?
I must have missed your answer to my question.
That being said:
U.S. Measles Burden: Before 1963 Vaccine Development*
Each year, measles caused an estimated 3 to 4 million cases
• Close to 500,000 cases were reported annually to CDC, resulting in:
48,000 hospitalizations
1,000 cases with encephalitis (brain swelling)
450 to 500 deaths
https://www.cdc.gov/measles/downloads/measlesdataandstatsslideset.pdf
Regarding this statement:
Ever heard of shingles?
https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/shingles/shingles-skin#1
The question that needs to be asked (and I've asked this in other Libertarian/Libertarian leaning forums) is:
Does someone have a right to contract a potentially deadly and contagious disease?
I must have missed your answer to my question.
That being said:
U.S. Measles Burden: Before 1963 Vaccine Development*
Each year, measles caused an estimated 3 to 4 million cases
• Close to 500,000 cases were reported annually to CDC, resulting in:
48,000 hospitalizations
1,000 cases with encephalitis (brain swelling)
450 to 500 deaths
https://www.cdc.gov/measles/downloads/measlesdataandstatsslideset.pdf
Regarding this statement:
Ever heard of shingles?
https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/shingles/shingles-skin#1
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glorydaz
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You need to learn to listen. :chuckle:
And you might also look at both sides of the issue.
There are hundreds of sites out there, but I'm not going to do your research for you.
It's an issue of parental rights versus big Pharma, and one would think you'd bear that in mind.
Aimiel
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So far only one disease, smallpox, has been eradicated by vaccines, saving approximately 5 million lives annually. Polio could be next. Over 80% of the world's children are now being immunized against the polio virus, and the annual number of cases has been cut from 400,000 in 1980 to 90,000 in the mid-1990s.
In all, vaccines have brought seven major human diseases under some degree of control - smallpox, diphtheria, tetanus, yellow fever, whooping cough, polio, and measles.
Source article.
In all, vaccines have brought seven major human diseases under some degree of control - smallpox, diphtheria, tetanus, yellow fever, whooping cough, polio, and measles.
Source article.
glorydaz
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I had whooping cough as a baby, too. I also had mumps, measles, and chicken pox. We all did back in the day. My kids, on the other hand, had the required vaccinations (MMR, DPT, and polio sugar cube). They had no adverse reactions, and that was all that was required at the time. NOW, it's another story altogether. Too many vaccines, too much garbage put into those vaccines, as many adverse reactions to the vaccines as there are with contracting the disease itself. Plus, you can still get the disease even when you're vaccinated. There is a link between autism and vaccines (OR their additives), and the risk is greater than the disease in many cases. Big Pharma makes a fortune off of our children, and they don't give a rip about making SAFE vaccines.
Now, kids in Oregon can't even go to school if they don't get these vaccines (WITH ALL THE TOXINS manufactured in them). The nanny state is an ugly piece of work.
Good to see you back, Artie. :cheers:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
The question that needs to be asked (and I've asked this in other Libertarian/Libertarian leaning forums) is:
Does someone have a right to contract a potentially deadly and contagious disease?
As you're probably aware from viewing my wildly popular 5 part thread, I'm a huge fan of parental rights, when the best interest of the child is involved. That being said, do parents have a right to ignore giving their child much needed vaccinations when the child could get sick and possibly die from not having them?
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
The question that needs to be asked (and I've asked this in other Libertarian/Libertarian leaning forums) is:
Does someone have a right to contract a potentially deadly and contagious disease?
As you're probably aware from viewing my wildly popular 5 part thread, I'm a huge fan of parental rights, when the best interest of the child is involved. That being said, do parents have a right to ignore giving their child much needed vaccinations when the child could get sick and possibly die from not having them?