Feds Bust Militia Plot to Kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, Overthrow Government

[Arthur Brain]

No, they're 2nd amendment militia. You have one guy in front of an anarchist flag and every rightwing site I've been on has posted this as a frantic attempt to divert attention from the fact that these guys met up at the anti-mask rightwing rallies in the capitol. They're white domestic terrorists.

They simply don't care. They're too set on their agenda to blame anything bad on the "left" while ignoring the plethora of atrocity that emanates from their camp. That's why Trump will likely get hailed as some sort of hero after his "miraculous recovery" from Covid, especially from far right evangelicals who'll probably lap up his "blessing from God" comments while not wearing a mask. It's just...bonkers.

 

[annabenedetti]

They simply don't care. They're too set on their agenda to blame anything bad on the "left" while ignoring the plethora of atrocity that emanates from their camp. That's why Trump will likely get hailed as some sort of hero after his "miraculous recovery" from Covid, especially from far right evangelicals who'll probably lap up his "blessing from God" comments while not wearing a mask. It's just...bonkers.

That's why they grabbed at that anarchist flag like a drowning man for a life ring. They're running it from site to site like Paul Revere, and that's what they're going to fixate on as a diversion because there are a lot out there who are totally behind the idea of what these domestic terrorists were planning. Every so often with a story like this I go to the various sites and read the comments. It's a cesspool out there.

 

[annabenedetti]

Any reaction/comments/twitters from Hair Fuhrer?

He's been busy attacking her, whining that she didn't say thank you, pretending he cares about all Americans, and sounding insane, so pretty much the usual.

Here's his campaign, hard at work blaming the victim:

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer said Thursday that attacks lobbed at her by President Donald Trump's reelection campaign after authorities announced they foiled a plot to kidnap her "tells you everything you need to know" about the difference between the President and Joe Biden.

Following the announcement by federal and state officials, Trump campaign senior adviser Jason Miller lambasted the governor, who had tied Trump's rhetoric to the plot in earlier televised remarks, saying she "wakes up everyday with such hatred in her heart" for Trump.

"You know, the fact that after a plot to kidnap and to kill me, this is what they come out with. They start attacking me, as opposed to what good, decent people would do is to check in and say, 'Are you OK?' -- which is what (Democratic presidential nominee) Joe Biden did," Whitmer told CNN's Erin Burnett on "Out Front."

 

[Arthur Brain]

That's why they grabbed at that anarchist flag like a drowning man for a life ring. They're running it from site to site like Paul Revere, and that's what they're going to fixate on as a diversion because there are a lot out there who are totally behind the idea of what these domestic terrorists were planning. Every so often with a story like this I go to the various sites and read the comments. It's a cesspool out there.

I had this sent to me earlier and I think you may enjoy...

 

[annabenedetti]

I had this sent to me earlier and I think you may enjoy...

Perfection.... :chuckle:

Seriously though? They nailed it.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Perfection.... :chuckle:

Seriously though? They nailed it.

Yes, unfortunately...

 

[The Barbarian]

Admit it. If these weren't white guys, you'd be screaming your head off, and so would every other MAGA here.

Exactly. It's not that there weren't scum like this before Trump. It's that he's encouraged them to come out from under their rocks so we see them more often. The dangerous thing is, they took his incitements to violence seriously. It might be a long time before America is safe from them, again.

 

[annabenedetti]

 

[annabenedetti]

At least two men charged in relation to an alleged plot to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer were among those who carried long guns inside the state Capitol earlier this year, officials confirmed.

Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel’s office confirmed identical twins, William and Michael Null, both 38, were among those inside the Capitol for an anti-Whitmer rally April 30 and were photographed standing in a gallery above the Senate.

Nessel alleges the brothers are among seven members of the “Wolverine Watchmen” militia group who she charged Thursday with crimes under the state’s anti-terrorism act.

Nessel alleged the members of the group called on militia members to identify the homes of law enforcement officers to target them, made threats of violence to instigate a "civil war" and trained for an operation to attack the Capitol and kidnap officials, including Whitmer.

 

[ok doser]

Sooooo....

Where did he "excuse" the terrorists?

 

[The Barbarian]

Trump orders the terrorists to action: "Liberate Michigan!"

Terrorists: "Yes sir."

FBI: "Not so fast, Bubba; you're coming with us."

 

[The Berean]

So how exactly did these guys think they will "overthrow the government"? Lets say they actually kidnapped the governor. Now what? Did they believe the rest of the state government will allow them to be in charge?

 

[The Barbarian]

So exactly did these guys think they will "overthrow the government"?

Yep.

HARTLAND, Michigan—Federal prosecutors on Thursday announced the arrest of six men who allegedly plotted with a militia group to violently overthrow the government and kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer.
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Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel also announced that seven other men—linked to the militia group Wolverine Watchmen—have been charged with terrorism crimes for allegedly planning the capitol attack and attempting to “instigate a Civil War.” “There has been a disturbing increase in anti-government rhetoric and the re-emergence of groups that embrace extremist ideologies,” she said.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/feds-b...affidavit-says

Lets say they actually kidnapped the governor. Now what? Did they believe the rest of the state government will aloow them to be in charge?

Apparently, they thought if they seized the governor and the state capital building, they'd get a civil war as others would join them. It seems they believed that Trump would not permit federal forces to oppose them.

Yes, it's crazy, but then we're talking far-right here.

 

[annabenedetti]

Yes, it's crazy, but then we're talking far-right here.

The Bizarre Brew of Crazy Behind the Whitmer Kidnapping Plot

The 13 men arrested for allegedly plotting to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and possibly spark a new civil war drank an impressive variety of flavors of far-right, fringe Kool Aid.

Trumpers
Wolverine Watchmen militia
QAnon
Three percenters
Boogaloos
Proud Boys
anarchy/anti-[state]government

 

[The Berean]

Yep.

HARTLAND, Michigan—Federal prosecutors on Thursday announced the arrest of six men who allegedly plotted with a militia group to violently overthrow the government and kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer.
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Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel also announced that seven other men—linked to the militia group Wolverine Watchmen—have been charged with terrorism crimes for allegedly planning the capitol attack and attempting to “instigate a Civil War.” “There has been a disturbing increase in anti-government rhetoric and the re-emergence of groups that embrace extremist ideologies,” she said.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/feds-b...affidavit-says



Apparently, they thought if they seized the governor and the state capital building, they'd get a civil war as others would join them. It seems they believed that Trump would not permit federal forces to oppose them.

Yes, it's crazy, but then we're talking far-right here.

That's just ignorant. Modern American culture is not really conducive for a real civil war like we saw in 1860. Who exactly would have joined these idiots in a new civil war?

 

[The Barbarian]

The Bizarre Brew of Crazy Behind the Whitmer Kidnapping Plot

The 13 men arrested for allegedly plotting to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and possibly spark a new civil war drank an impressive variety of flavors of far-right, fringe Kool Aid.

Trumpers
Wolverine Watchmen militia
QAnon
Three percenters
Boogaloos
Proud Boys
anarchy/anti-[state]government

The republican party is no longer a political party; it's a Halloween party.

 

[ok doser]

That's just ignorant. Modern American culture is not really conducive for a real civil war like we saw in 1960. Who exactly would have joined these idiots in a new civil war?

Oh, TB :nono:

Don't feed the troll.

 

[The Berean]

Oh, TB :nono:

Don't feed the troll.

I'm actually curious about all this silly recent talk all over social media about another civil war is going to break out reallllly soon. It think it's pretty laughable. Who exactly will be fighting who in this second civil war? So apparently, there are those on the "extreme far right", whoever they are. Who will they be fighting? The Starbucks drinking, skinny jeans wearing, neck beard, I-need-a-safe-space liberals?

 

[The Barbarian]

Apparently, they thought if they seized the governor and the state capital building, they'd get a civil war as others would join them. It seems they believed that Trump would not permit federal forces to oppose them.

Yes, it's crazy, but then we're talking far-right here. Not exactly the top 10%.

That's just ignorant.

No kidding. But these guys are pretty dumb. They expected that they'd be able to touch off a civil war. And they talk about it a lot.

Modern American culture is not really conducive for a real civil war like we saw in 1960.

Kennedy became president in 1960. It was perhaps the most united time in recent American history. You mean 1860? The Hamiltonian plan has worked; economics alone wouldn't permit a regional civil war.

Who exactly would have joined these idiots in a new civil war?

Like-minded idiots. Turns out, there are a lot of them.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 34% of Likely U.S. Voters think the United States will experience a second civil war sometime in the next five years, but that includes only nine percent (9%) who say it’s Very Likely. This compares to 31% and 11% respectively two years ago. (To see survey question wording, click here.)
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Republicans (40%) are more likely than Democrats (28%) and voters not affiliated with either major party (38%) to see a second civil war on the horizon.
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/pu...ssues/40_of_gop_voters_think_civil_war_likely

They're part of the 3 Percent Militia, one of the nation's largest armed right-wing groups. They believe only 3 percent of colonial Americans fought the Revolutionary War, yet were able to overthrow British rule.

Historians say the number of male colonists who fought in the conflict, closer to 25 percent. According to the Anti-Defamation League, more than 10,000 people identify as 3 Percenters. They have a presence in nearly every state. Their ideology? A mix of anti-government conspiracy theories.

CHAD "KILL ZONE" LEGERE, Georgia Security Force: It could be our own government overreaching. If we end up with a tyrant in office, no one knows what could happen in 15 years, but at least we're going to be prepared.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/armed-militia-groups-surging-across-nation


Not enough to hope to win a conflict, but enough to do a lot of damage. Fortunately, the FBI has been tracking those guys for a long time, and this time, at least, was able to snuff the insurrection before they could even get it underway.

 

[ok doser]

Who will they be fighting?

Antifa

But the energy and hatred is more reminiscent of soccer hooligans in britain than it is of people who have thought this through and stand on well developed principals