We are made spiritually alive by hearing and believing the Gospel, Galatians 3:2 also Romans 10:17.
Faith and the Spirit Come By Hearing and Believing the Gospel
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We are made spiritually alive by hearing and believing the Gospel, Galatians 3:2 also Romans 10:17.
And we're back to square one: Can the dead hear & believe? Looks like NOTHING in those verses speak of being made spiritually alive.
Again, God made us alive TOGETHER with Christ when He resurrected (Eph 2:4-6; Col 2:13). AFTER we are made spiritually alive, only then can we hear and believe.
To be spiritually dead is to be apart from Christ. And apart from Him, Christ said we can do NOTHING. So how can we hear and believe while spiritually dead being yet apart from Christ?
Sam, you're leaving out an intricate part of the salvation process, humanities free-will. If you're a Calvinist (which seems to be the case) then, I understand where you're coming from. Calvinists don't believe in humanities free-will. However, there is a myriad of examples of humanities free-will in the Old and New Testament. Calvinists have been indoctrinated to not see those examples, however.
I don't leave free-will out. We are admonished to Overcome evil with good (Rom 12:21). We can either decide to be overcome by evil or overcome evil with good. That is precisely exercising free-will. And only overcomers will not be blotted out from the book of life.
I am not a Calvinist. Calvinists don't believe in blotting out of names. They even suspect the existence of the book of life.
Neither am I an Arminian. Arminians believe in a general, but conditional, atonement.
Again, I believe in a general, unconditional, unlimited and actual atonement.
beloved57
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False statement not found in the scriptures!
"So then faith comes hearing and hearing by the word of God" Romans 10:17.
Which is the Gospel.
beloved57
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That's not what that says.
Here is salvation in a nutshell - first the gospel of our salvation 1 Corinthians 15:1-2 KJV and 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV -
Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 KJV and
Romans 10:17 KJV -
Then by hearing, trusting and believing we (BOC) have salvation that cannot be lost - Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV -
It's all because Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:20 KJV -
beloved57
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Anyone teaching and or agreeing with anyone teaching salvation by works, by what a person does, is a false teacher, an apostate !
Right, that's why I don't do that
beloved57
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You agree with pate who teaches it, so you are guilty by association!
hearing and believing is not works. Jesus did the work
beloved57
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They are works, things a person does.
They are not works that save.
beloved57
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But that is what you teach!
Why don't you explain your beliefs ? Scared ?
Believing is not a work that saves. The only work that saves is the work of Christ.
You need to get saved so that understand the things of the Spirit.
I'm sorry that you think hearing, believing and trusting the Lord are works, I'm sorry for you.
beloved57
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They are works, things the person does.