ECT Does Hebrews speak to and of the Body of Christ?

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musterion said:
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Either your faith in the DBR for your sins is counted for righteousness, and on that basis you'll see the Lord...

...or...

...you must exert effort to obtain and maintain holiness and peace with all, else you won't see the Lord.

Pick one because you can't have both.
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NOnsense, you have to "do" both. There are many things told to the NT believer that sound like you "have" to do them but it is only an natural expression of a willing heart and how it would look. You had to "enter" God's rest, but the "entering" was not a "work." There were specific difficulties in Israel that needed to be weathered when it was written, too. Your understanding is infantile.

'Made perfect' in Hebrews likewise does not fit the perfect terminology we would like to see, but we find out it is the same thing as justification; to have debt cleared. It does not mean the person is sinless.

Heb 2:9 has the exact same Gospel as any other place in the NT: the suffering and crowning of Christ, for everyone who is under death. That's crowning as in the enthronement that DAVID foresaw and Peter referenced in Acts 2:20. Because the NT is unified, unlike D'ism which is more compartments than anyone can count.

I supposed your Body of Christ is some kind of legal jargon you intend to trap people with. I could care less.
 
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'About such there is no law...' 'Peri de' is not 'against' except in oldest English in such expressions like the hymn 'and to him against that day.' Meaning, on or about that day.

'peri de' means YOU DON'T MAKE "LAWS" ABOUT THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT, BECAUSE THEY ARE FRUIT. Obviously, if there is not that fruit, you don't have the Spirit of Christ and his gospel. but of course, is not a "work" either because "works" are "works of the law."

There are such basic NT concepts about which you have no or little grasp.
 
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DAN P said:
Hi and where do you see BODY / SOMA , OF / TOV , CHRIST / CHRISTOS in the book of Hebrews ??

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EVERYWHERE just not the actual words. You don't have to. There is no legal clutter mucking up the NT. And there were specific circumstances in those decades for believers who lived in Judea.
 
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EVERYWHERE just not the actual words. You don't have to. There is no legal clutter mucking up the NT. And there were specific circumstances in those decades for believers who lived in Judea.
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No "legal clutter"? Is that what Paul's teachings are about the body of Christ? I wonder why the Lord even bothered with Paul then.... :think:
 
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glorydaz said:
No "legal clutter"? Is that what Paul's teachings are about the body of Christ? I wonder why the Lord even bothered with Paul then.... :think:
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To get the most forceful Judaizer turned into a missionary for the Gospel LIKE GOD MEANT FOR THE WHOLE LOT OF THEM!!!

Get real. It has nothing to do with your glommed on D'ism.
 
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glorydaz said:
This explains a lot. :rolleyes:
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There is no evidence at all that the Christian faith community is an afterthought. It was ALWAYS intended; that's how Gal 3-4 corrects us and Rom 4 and 9.

The mystery that comes along in Eph 3 is NOT that community. It is the channel or method of entry; 'through the Gospel' rather than 'through the Law' as Judaism thought, because the very first blessings promised to Abraham were clearly to bless all nations through the Seed who is Christ, who is also the literary/contextual connection between Gen 12 and 3's Seed. Or as Acts 15 says: God reaching all nations WAS KNOWN FROM ANCIENT TIMES. What God did with Israel was subplot to that, not the other way around, as D'ism says 24/7 here at TOL.
 
Jerry Shugart

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musterion said:
Does Hebrews speak to and of the Body of Christ?
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Only those in the Body of Christ have access to the heavenly sphere since they sit in heavenly places in Christ Jesus. The believers in the book of Hebrews had access to the heavenly sphere:

"Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh" (Heb.10:19-20).​

Of course the word "holiest" is not in regard to the most holy place in the Temple because only the Levitical high priest had access there, and only once a year. The word "holiest" at Hebrews 10:19-20 refers to the dwelling place of the LORD. And the "throne" in the following verse is speaking of the heavenly throne:

"Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need" (Heb.4:16).​

We also know that they are told that they have a heavenly calling (Heb.3:1).
 
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Jerry Shugart said:
Only those in the Body of Christ have access to the heavenly sphere since they sit in heavenly places in Christ Jesus. The believers in the book of Hebrews had access to the heavenly sphere:

"Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh" (Heb.10:19-20).​

Of course the word "holiest" is not in regard to the most holy place in the Temple because only the Levitical high priest had access there, and only once a year. The word "holiest" at Hebrews 10:19-20 refers to the dwelling place of the LORD. And the "throne" in the following verse is speaking of the heavenly throne:

"Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need" (Heb.4:16).​




We also know that they are told that they have a heavenly calling (Heb.3:1).
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All believers always have, and it always meant that it would one day be on the NHNE. It was never to be in Judea.
 
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