Does Calvinism Make God Unjust?
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Arthur Brain
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Exactly. If your kids haven't been chosen to be part of this 'elect' then it would make no difference whether you read the bible to them every day or let them play 'grand theft auto' until their brains melted. No matter how much you loved and cared for them it wouldn't matter ultimately because they were already destined to rot at the sovereign will of God.
Still, at least if people's kids are reprobates you'll be helping to load burning coals on their heads by witnessing to them...
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Arthur Brain
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It is compelling. What's more it depicts a god who has more power and love than one who creates, wills things to happen but can't fulfill that will, or one who deliberately creates beings with the purpose of sending them somewhere to eternally rot IMO.
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I am quite entrenched when it comes to matters of Christian orthodoxy if and until the case can be made that such matters are not warranted from Scripture.
Beware the minority opinion. It tickles the itching ears and appeals to one's pride thinking that one has discovered some new truths heretofore unexamined by the church militant. There really isn't something new under the sun, despite one's pride in thinking so.
So feel free to take my own advice and not engage me directly.
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Still, at least if people's kids are reprobates you'll be helping to load burning coals on their heads by witnessing to them...
At least there's something positive about Calvinism.
Brother Ducky
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My observation is that non-Calvinists are a lot more likely to condemn those who do not agree with them to the fires of Hell than Calvinists. We might think you are incorrect regarding predestination, but most would not hold that one's view is a matter of salvation. Couple of exceptions, but you should not judge the many by the few.
It's difficult to keep up with fictionalized religious material that has no basis in reality, AMR. Know what I mean? Probably not, you're too smart to understand something so simple.
It's good to see that even AMR can come down off his "High horse" once in awhile and indulge himself in some "Verbal Fisticuffs."
BroDuck, The problem is, Calvinists follow "Another gospel," believe in false doctrine, and don't seem to worship the God of the Bible. Calvinists follow after a "man-made" god created by Calvin and his ilk.
Calvinists really ought to take a look at the history of the man they hold in high esteem, that being, John "The Pope of Geneva" Calvin.
Brother Ducky
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While reading up on Calvin, you may not like what you see?
Like I already explained to you (you really need to try and keep up as AMR says) Christ made available forgiveness of sins, eternal life and the righteousness of Jesus Christ to those who hear the Gospel and place their faith in Christ as their Savior. The sins of all humanity were paid for. However, only those who place their faith in Christ will reap the benefits. Understand?
Arthur Brain
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I am quite entrenched when it comes to matters of Christian orthodoxy if and until the case can be made that such matters are not warranted from Scripture.
Beware the minority opinion. It tickles the itching ears and appeals to one's pride thinking that one has discovered some new truths heretofore unexamined by the church militant. There really isn't something new under the sun, despite one's pride in thinking so.
So feel free to take my own advice and not engage me directly.
AMR
The irony in this is all you've done is show your own pride. Your rigid adherence to your reformed theology blinds you to anything outside of it. Pride had nothing whatsoever to do with it when I starting questioning doctrines of 'hell', absolutely nothing. Life would have been a fair bit easier at the time if I'd just blindly accepted it and ignored the pangs of my conscience FYI.
That you won't even entertain anything outside of "orthodoxy" (and btw, Calvinism is hardly the majority view in the church) then your own stubbornness is your obstacle.
Perhaps the last post explains it better?
You're quite right. Calvinism isn't accepted by all who call themselves Christians.
Brother Ducky
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Some here insist that Christ has taken all sin onto himself.
Most of those would also insist that some will go to hell.
The question remains: Is hell populated with sinless people?
Seems to be a simple yes or no kind of a question to me.
Did I explain it well enough to your understanding BroDuck?
I've explained it to the best of my ability, the understanding of it is up to you.
Every man, woman, and child that ever lived on planet earth had their sins paid for at the cross 2000 years ago. However, in order to reap the benefits of that "Sacrifice" one must place ALL their faith in Christ as their Savior. There's a choice to be made. (A decision in everyone's life) God demands faith, He always has. (Both Old and New Testament) It's always been of faith. If one rejects God's offer of eternal life, forgiveness of sins, and the righteousness of Christ, then, they will not reap the benefits of Christ's death and resurrection. Remember, Abraham (A Gentile) believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness. Genesis 15:6 "And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness." So, from Genesis on, it's always been by faith. Where does one acquire faith? Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." If you desire faith you'll find it in the written word of God.