ECT DID JESUS TEACH SOLA SCRIPTURA?

[Puppet]

By that "logic," we can go ahead and hold to nothing but John 3:16 and throw the rest of the Bible in the trash. No, the "believing in Jesus" that the apostles speak of involves a whole lot more than merely acknowledging his existence or even his role as Savior. It involves all that Christ's one historic Church---the Church that Christ himself founded---believes and teaches in his name. You cannot have the former without the latter.

So I'll take your above comment as a "no," you have not in fact studied Catholicism from the primary Catholic documents. Therefore, you actually know nothing real or authentic about it, and so have no basis whatsoever for even forming an opinion on the subject, let alone presuming to express it on a public forum.

So much, then, for your claim to have "been there, done that," since you have in fact been nowhere and done nothing.



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You got bitter taste of sour semi pelagian flavors on burnt arminian crust under gnostic sugar with too much demon salt. Yuck.

 

[DAN P]

Hi and it is SAD that the RCC do not believe all that the bible is saying !!

In Matt 5:18 it reads For verily I say unto you , Till heaven and earth pass , One Jot or One TITTLE shall in No wise from the LAW , till all be filled !!

No where does it say , all that the Church Fathers , have written will be fulfilled , DOES IT ?

It is the same for Luke 16:17 and this makes the RCC very IRRELEVANT does it not !!:darwinsm::darwinsm:

DAN P

 

[kayaker]

You got bitter taste of sour semi pelagian flavors on burnt arminian crust under gnostic sugar with too much demon salt. Yuck.

LOL! You better straighten up and act right, Puppet... or, you'll be on Cruci's most ignorant list like I am, ROFLOL! Some people just can't handle the truth... Narcism becomes most Cathaholics, but a few do progress through the twelve steps of Cathaholics anonymous finding humility among us great-unwashed.

 

[rougueone]

No.


Come back when you understand what sola scriptura actually IS.



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Sola scriptura : "by Scripture alone". The Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of doctrine and practice. Scripture’s authority is universal; because it is God’s Word, it is His-Gods authority.

Many other church's and traditions ( including Protestant) , which have "developed", over the many centuries are contradictory to the Word-Bible, of our God. Your God, Cruciform. Thus, sola scriptura applies. Biblical Traditions based on, and in agreement with God’s Word can be maintained. Again, the Bible. The writings are the Traditions.
Other Traditions that disagree with or contradict God’s Word must be rejected.

Sola scriptura points us to what God has revealed to us in His Word.


You do not have to believe this. And you may certainly define it another way. But I stand on Sola Scriptura in the 66 books of the Bible.
Because the 66 Books of God and man have proven themselves to me as truth. If not, I would of looked to another way.

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be ( Let them be--they are), under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
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Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.
11 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. Paul to the churches in Galatia. Gal. 1

But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ. For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully. For I consider myself not in the least inferior to the most eminent apostles.

The Bible is the way of God, the truth of God, and eternal life to God, through Jesus.

 

[Puppet]

LOL! You better straighten up and act right, Puppet... or, you'll be on Cruci's most ignorant list like I am, ROFLOL! Some people just can't handle the truth... Narcism becomes most Cathaholics, but a few do progress through the twelve steps of Cathaholics anonymous finding humility among us great-unwashed.

I'm already striaghten and act right but cruciwho are being saved by works, Catholics are told they must A. Confess their sins to a priest and B. perform a penance before they are forgiven of their sins. Other Christian faiths believe that when you accept Jesus as your savior your sins (past, present, and future) are forgiven then.

 

[Cruciform]

You got bitter taste of sour semi pelagian flavors on burnt arminian crust under gnostic sugar with too much demon salt. Yuck.

I see. You in fact have no substantive or meaningful response whatsoever to my statements, and so resort to posting an irrelevant stream of nonsensical and non-applicable word-vomit. Therefore, my statements stand exactly as posted.

Incidentally, Catholicism is decidedly not "semi-Pelagian" (the Church formally condemned Semi-Pelagianism as a heresy at the Second Synod of Orange in 529 A.D.), Arminian (Arminianism did not even exist until the 16th century), or gnostic (the Catholic Church has been the greatest opponent of gnosticism in the history of the Christian faith). Once again, you merely place your ignorance of all things Catholic on public display.



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[Cruciform]

The Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of doctrine and practice.

No, that is not sola scriptura ("Scripture ALONE"). Where is the "alone" part in your definition here? A "supreme" authority is not necessarily the ONLY authority.

 

[Cruciform]

Hi and it is SAD that the RCC do not believe all that the bible is saying !!

Of course we do---we simply don't believe all of your preferred interpretations of the Bible. Big difference there.

 

[Puppet]

I see. You in fact have no substantive or meaningful response whatsoever to my statements, and so resort to posting an irrelevant stream of nonsensical and non-applicable word-vomit. Therefore, my statements stand exactly as posted.

Incidentally, Catholicism is decidedly not "semi-Pelagian" (the Church formally condemned Semi-Pelagianism as a heresy at the Second Synod of Orange in 529 A.D.), Arminian (Arminianism did not even exist until the 16th century), or gnostic (the Catholic Church has been the greatest opponent of gnosticism in the history of the Christian faith). Once again, you merely place your ignorance of all things Catholic on public display.



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I know all that. You have the awful soup of the day that changes toward unathorized coruption. I found that pretty much everyone was only Catholic/Christian by name only, not be practice or by living.

 

[Cruciform]

I know all that.

So you agree that you are fundamentally ignorant of all things Catholic. Very good.

 

[Puppet]

So you agree that you are fundamentally ignorant of all things Catholic. Very good.

Protestantism and Catholicism look a lot a like. It's just that 1% that's different happens to be a Big Freaking Deal.

 

[Cruciform]

Protestantism and Catholicism look a lot a like. It's just that 1% that's different happens to be a Big Freaking Deal.

Unfortunately, your posted statements on this forum make it abundantly clear that you have virtually no genuine knowledge of Catholic beliefs and teachings, and so you have absolutely no basis for the claims you've made here. You know nothing about Catholicism, and so can't possibly say whether or not Protestantism and Catholicism "look a lot alike." You're simply offering opinions on something you know nothing about. Everything you post about the Catholic faith is merely an expression of your own vast ignorance of the subject.



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[everready]

No, that is not sola scriptura ("Scripture ALONE"). Where is the "alone" part in your definition here? A "supreme" authority is not necessarily the ONLY authority.

rougueone is right Cruciform The Revelation of Jesus Christ is that last book of the bible with a warning from Jesus Christ.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


everready

 

[MaxGrit]

Protestantism and Catholicism look a lot a like. It's just that 1% that's different happens to be a Big Freaking Deal.

Roman Catholicism is more than 50% incorrect.
Roman Catholicism is a religion composed mainly of RCC doctrines & traditions, with a little bit of Scriptures thrown into the mix.

https://youtu.be/2vQ04UZPlkk

Catholicism Teaches Works Salvation!

In the first part of the 5th Century, John Cassianus, Abbot of the Monastery of St. Victor, introduced the false doctrine known as semi-Pelagianism. A few of the errors of semi-Pelagianism are that initial faith is dependent on man's free-will, though God is solely responsible for faith itself and its increase and final perseverance depends on man's own strength, not being a gift of grace.

What is interesting, and still another indication that the Roman Magisterium is inconsistent and surely fallible, is that, while condemning the teachings of John Cassianus as heretical, the RCC refers to him as a good and godly man and holds him in high esteem.

SEMI-PELAGIANISM. The view stressing both the grace of God and the free will of man. Man is seen as contributing with God in salvation. This view is embodied in Roman Catholicism.--Paul Enns, Ed., The Moody Handbook of Theology, (c) 1989 Moody Press, p.647

The early Catholic church struggled against semi-Pelagianism. Semi-Pelagian heresies were condemned by Pope Celestine I in 432. Pope Felix IV, In the year 529, in the Synods of Orange and Valence, both of which were confirmed by Boniface II, also condemned semi-Pelagianism.

I reckon those condemnations never took root, for to this date, the Roman church continues to hold to a form of semi-Pelagianism, or works-based salvation. Just one example of how man is required, in Catholic doctrine, to cooperate with God for his salvation may be seen in the RCC doctrine of baptism as taught in the Catechism:

1257 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them. Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament. The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.--Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2nd Ed., (c) 1994/1997 United States Catholic Conference, Inc. (Emphasis not in original)

The Roman church teaches that man is, in large measure, responsible for his salvation and eternal state. By contrast, the Holy Bible teaches that:

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.--Ephesians 2:8-10

Noted Catholic educator and theologian, Dr. Ludwig Ott disagrees and clarifies the Roman Catholic position in a textbook used in Roman Catholic seminaries:

According to the teaching of the Reformers, faith, in the sense of fiducial faith, is the sole cause of justification (_sola fide_ doctrine). In opposition to this teaching, the Council of Trent declares that, side by side with faith, other acts of disposition are demanded (Denzinger 819). As such are named: fear of Divine justice; hope in the mercy of God for the sake of the merits of Christ; the beginning of the love of God; hate and detestation of sin; and the purpose of receiving Baptism and of beginning a new life. The Council describes the ordinary psychological course of the process of justification, without thereby defining that all individual acts must be present in the given sequence, and that only these can be present. Just as faith, as the beginning of salvation, must never be absent, so also sorrow for sins committed must never be lacking, as forgiveness is not possible without an inner aversion from sin. Denz 793, cf. Denz 897.--Dr. Ludwig Ott, Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, (c) 1962 B. Herder, 1962 pp. 253-4 (Emphasis not in original)

For those who don't get Rome's heretical message, the Council of Trent provided several "incentives," among them:

Canon 9. If anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone,[114] meaning that nothing else is required to cooperate in order to obtain the grace of justification, and that it is not in any way necessary that he be prepared and disposed by the action of his own will, let him be anathema.--Council of Trent, 6th Session, Canons On Justification (Denzinger 819)

And there you have it; another example of that peculiar Romish idea that the work of Christ on the cross was insufficient to obtain and secure salvation for those called by God to eternal life. Nope, Bubba has gotta to put his back into it and lend that weak Roman Jesus a helping hand if the salvation Rome offers is gonna "take." Reckon I'll put my trust in the Lord God Almighty and His Son, Jesus the Messiah -- and not in the shaky promises of the man-powered Roman church.

Read your Bible. Seek God's truth. You'll see that what Rome says and offers doesn't match up with the Word of God.

 

[rougueone]

No, that is not sola scriptura ("Scripture ALONE"). Where is the "alone" part in your definition here? A "supreme" authority is not necessarily the ONLY authority.

Supreme Authority is God.

 

[Puppet]

Roman Catholicism is more than 50% incorrect.
Roman Catholicism is a religion composed mainly of RCC doctrines & traditions, with a little bit of Scriptures thrown into the mix.

https://youtu.be/2vQ04UZPlkk

Most protestantism teach salvation by works as well. There are some in both that recieved the gift of faith. There are false claims from the anticatholics as well as from the anticalvinists. I've been there and most here are mising the meaning of how faith is given to the believers. The catholic attacks from the protestants are goofy and I don't want to do that. The assurances from the Catholics are corrupt even when they say they are not.

 

[OCTOBER23]

NO PAGAN PRACTICE FORMED BY CATHOLICS OR PROTESTANTS

SHALL IN ANY WAYS DETER FROM THE FUNDAMENTAL TRUTHS OF THE BIBLE.

So be it written , so be it done.

 

[Puppet]

Unfortunately, your posted statements on this forum make it abundantly clear that you have virtually no genuine knowledge of Catholic beliefs and teachings, and so you have absolutely no basis for the claims you've made here. You know nothing about Catholicism, and so can't possibly say whether or not Protestantism and Catholicism "look a lot alike." You're simply offering opinions on something you know nothing about. Everything you post about the Catholic faith is merely an expression of your own vast ignorance of the subject.



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Theres no way Catholics will get out of the big mess of corruptions. Too big to fail is a lesson we have already learned. Reformation fixed all that. Your blind continuation makes you ingnorant. You are screwed

 

[Cruciform]

Theres no way Catholics will get out of the big mess of corruptions. Too big to fail is a lesson we have already learned. Reformation fixed all that. Your blind continuation makes you ingnorant. You are screwed

Thus merely proving my statements in Post #192 above.

 

[Cruciform]

rougueone is right Cruciform The Revelation of Jesus Christ is that last book of the bible with a warning from Jesus Christ. Revelation 22:18...

• First, the statement in Revelation applies specifically to the book of Revelation itself ("the prophecy of this book"), not to the Bible as a whole.
• Second, the Catholic Church has never added books to the Bible, nor has it taken books out of the Bible, as the early Protestants did in the 16th century. So even if Rev. 22:18 did apply to the whole Bible (it doesn't), it still would not apply to the Catholic Church.

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