DACA - Dreamers

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The dreamer parents knew what they were doing when they smuggled the children in -
Or :think:
Maybe the parents were born and raised in a ditch and couldn't read or write and heard about a place called United States where Cartels and Guerrillas didn't rule.
The issue is sticky because of all the crimes you'd have to commit to stay here long enough to raise your kid here.
How many laws did the parents break while working under the table or under a false identity?
 

Danoh

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The dreamer parents knew what they were doing when they smuggled the children in -

Hypocrite - it's time you and yours walk in the Truth you merely pay lip service to being your moral compass...

Matthew 12:2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
 

patrick jane

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Or :think:
Maybe the parents were born and raised in a ditch and couldn't read or write and heard about a place called United States where Cartels and Guerrillas didn't rule.
The issue is sticky because of all the crimes you'd have to commit to stay here long enough to raise your kid here.
How many laws did the parents break while working under the table or under a false identity?
True. There are many good people and good families that made it here from terrible places with terrible conditions, but we have to have law in this country. There is the right way to enter the US and a wrong way to enter. Personally, I would do everything possible to become documented, as soon as possible. I wouldn't wait 20 years.
 

Danoh

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Or :think:
Maybe the parents were born and raised in a ditch and couldn't read or write and heard about a place called United States where Cartels and Guerrillas didn't rule.
The issue is sticky because of all the crimes you'd have to commit to stay here long enough to raise your kid here.
How many laws did the parents break while working under the table or under a false identity?

Probably many of the same basic immigration laws the many Europeans who have snuck into this country for the past two hundred years have also been breaking.

The issue though, is that their then small children are guiltless.

It is a complicated issue, no doubt about it.
 

Traditio

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Of course you are.

I think that Steve Bannon is basically correct about Paul Ryan.

Steve Bannon is reported as saying of Paul Ryan that he "is a [scathing, emasculating and graphic insult censored] who was born in a petri dish at the Heritage Foundation."

If Paul Ryan is in favor of anything, however benign and good it may sound, beware. Somehow, it likely benefits his corporate donors and the Republican establishment and is to the disadvantage of average Americans.
 

Traditio

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Of course you are.

Addendum:

To be clear:

If Paul Ryan came out tomorrow and presented a bill in congress declaring that puppies are cute and rainbows are awesome, the correct course of action would be to demand legislation requiring that every puppy in this country be euthanized and that steps be taken to ensure that not a single rainbow would ever be seen in this country ever again.

Because Paul Ryan and the establishment Republicans are that bad. :nono:
 

The Barbarian

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I don't like his decision but it could be worse. Some of it will depend on how exactly Trump handles the next 6 months.
I hope Congress can come up with a plan.

This congress could foul up a daydream. Do you really think they'll suddenly find the patriotism and organization to do the right thing for these people?

Oh, and Trump now tweeted that if Congress doesn't get their act together, he'll come back and do something about it in six months or whatever.

This guy actually wrote a book called "The Art of the Deal?"

He can't even close a deal with himself.
 

patrick jane

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This congress could foul up a daydream. Do you really think they'll suddenly find the patriotism and organization to do the right thing for these people?

Oh, and Trump now tweeted that if Congress doesn't get their act together, he'll come back and do something about it in six months or whatever.

This guy actually wrote a book called "The Art of the Deal?"

He can't even close a deal with himself.
It gives me great joy to see the Trump detractors criticize and belittle Trump. It shows the deep disappointment and bitterness of the losing left. Trump did the right thing with DACA, period.
 

Danoh

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It gives me great joy to see the Trump detractors criticize and belittle Trump. It shows the deep disappointment and bitterness of the losing left. Trump did the right thing with DACA, period.

Lets say you are right - for once.

Lets say theirs is disappointment and bitterness.

Your great joy only reveals - once more - what a hypocrite you are as a supposed Christian.

For it is not the Bible Believing Christian's lot in life to joy, let alone greatly, any one's misery.

Until you face the obvious, PJ, you will continue to go by your own mind, whenever you find the grace in the gospel of grace is a bit inconvenient.

This is why you and yours find that someone as morally reprehensible as Trump has always been someone and continues be "someone who speaks to" you.

The result?

You interpret righteous indignation as disappointment and bitterness.

Fact is, yours is the very self-deception that helped nail the Christ to that Cross you and yours continually prove you only claim is your moral compass.

It does not need to be that way for you and yours.

Said Cross' victory over this nonsense of yours ever awaits His Hand.

But you have to, well, you know, let Trump go, and let God...

For you and yours well know that you were the way you are, way before Trump came along to prove what you and yours really hold to is not what the Scripture asserts is to be the source of your every sense of victory and or comfort.

The Trumps of this world will come and go.

What will remain for eternity is where you actually followed what you often prove you merely assert is your moral compass.

Here, try walking by faith in the following - see if it is not joy enough...

2 Corinthians 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us. 4:8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair; 4:9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. 4:11 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh. 4:12 So then death worketh in us, but life in you. 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak; 4:14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you. 4:15 For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God. 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day. 4:17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

See if that does not help you overcome ANY addiction.

Nevertheless, Romans 5:8
 

patrick jane

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Lets say you are right - for once.

Lets say theirs is disappointment and bitterness.

Your great joy only reveals - once more - what a hypocrite you are as a supposed Christian.

For it is not the Bible Believing Christian's lot in life to joy, let alone greatly, any one's misery.

Until you face the obvious, PJ, you will continue to go by your own mind, whenever you find the grace in the gospel of grace is a bit inconvenient.

This is why you and yours find that someone as morally reprehensible as Trump has always been someone and continues be "someone who speaks to" you.

The result?

You interpret righteous indignation as disappointment and bitterness.

Fact is, yours is the very self-deception that helped nail the Christ to that Cross you and yours continually prove you only claim is your moral compass.

It does not need to be that way for you and yours.

Said Cross' victory over this nonsense of yours ever awaits His Hand.

But you have to, well, you know, let Trump go, and let God...

For you and yours well know that you were the way you are, way before Trump came along to prove what you and yours really hold to is not what the Scripture asserts is to be the source of your every sense of victory and or comfort.

The Trumps of this world will come and go.

What will remain for eternity is where you actually followed what you often prove you merely assert is your moral compass.

Here, try walking by faith in the following - see if it is not joy enough...

2 Corinthians 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us. 4:8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair; 4:9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. 4:11 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh. 4:12 So then death worketh in us, but life in you. 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak; 4:14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you. 4:15 For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God. 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day. 4:17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

See if that does not help you overcome ANY addiction.

Nevertheless, Romans 5:8
TDS = Trump Derangement Syndrome :rotfl: Do you think that by posting scriptures it bolsters your hatred of Trump? You have hate in your heart dano.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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What a pleasant, non-confrontational name for children of illegals. Don't hurt the dreamers, they have a dream. It's amnesty, pure and simple, put into place by Obummer under executive order, because that was the only way he could get it through. The temporary order is about to expire. What about our own citizens who are under served and struggling?

Will we give amnesty to all people under 18 just because they set foot in America? The demonrats only see votes

You're correct. The ONLY thing Democrats "DREAM ABOUT" is VOTES.
 
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