CherubRam
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If you do not know the difference between natural and un-natural, then there is no point in us speaking. Find someone else to talk to.
Criminalization of Christianity in America
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If you do not know the difference between natural and un-natural, then there is no point in us speaking. Find someone else to talk to.
flintstoned
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Natural pertains to that which exists in nature, while unnatural pertains to that which does not exist in nature.
Homosexuality exists in nature and is therefore, natural.
Aimiel
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Actually, It says that you not only have no excuse, since you see and know about God but also know that queers deserve the death penalty just as you do...
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Aimiel
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Natural means not against nature. Un-natural, like yourself, is against God and nature.
TracerBullet
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TracerBullet
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"Natural law has meant different things over the centuries, but today it most commonly means deriving moral value by looking to nature. It doesn't mean that everything that occurs in nature is good, a common misunderstanding of natural law that's easily clarified by considering that disease, the cruelty of the jungle, and death are all natural but that doesn't make them good; but natural law does involve walking a rational path from empirical observation to moral valuation: we might observe that certain human goods are empirically desirable--friendship, knowledge, life itself--and reason from that observation to the assertion that they are therefore morally right, along with other acts that serve those ends. Since life is a good, the procreative act is morally right since it produces life, and so is an institution like heterosexual marriage, which blesses the procreative act. Using the body for anything else, or privileging a relationship characterized by non-procreative acts, becomes morally wrong by default.
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there are (at least) two main problems with natural law reasoning as the basis of public policy. First is that it is utterly circular: it relies on broad agreement about what is a human good, from which natural law theorists deduce morally right action as anything that leads to that good; but how do we decide in the first place what is a moral good?
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The second problem is that the link that natural law makes between observation and valuation relies on privileging one natural act over another as your starting point, and insisting that act is supreme, to the exclusion of other acts that some view as good."
N. Frank
CherubRam
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Thank You. :first:
George Affleck
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You're making a moral (normative) judgment not a statement regarding nature per se. Homosexuality is not the norm, though left bereft of your narrow moral proclivities....quite natural.
Two individuals who hold feelings for one another and physically act on those natural feelings. Chemical/hormonal responses or amore....seems a natural state to be in.
The law was about living in Gods Kingdom on earth and still applies in principle, but not to todays nations.
Pro 1:1 The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel;
Pro 1:2 To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding;
Pro 1:3 To receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and judgment, and equity;
Pro 1:4 To give subtilty to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion.
Pro 1:5 A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:
LA
CherubRam
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The laws of the nations are based upon biblical law, but many nations have chose not to include that law.
CherubRam
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That is true, even though it is parabolic. So who are these satans in the world making these laws?
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Dan 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
LA
You seem to be bucking the trend....at least on this thread.
CherubRam
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Vatican changed the Sabbath and bible verses.
Eph 6:12
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Well, if you were a "supposed" Christian and decided to kill (murder)
a homosexual, you'd be found guilty of first degree murder and either
get life imprisonment without parole or the death penalty. Does that
seem like a good idea to you? Besides, that was based on Old
Testament laws that the "Hebrews" were given. We're to obey
the laws of the land today. If you murder a homosexual, you'll
suffer the consequences of your action.
Homosexuality is a sin of the flesh. In the Spiritual sense that is.
CherubRam
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The law of the land in Israel was the biblical law. law of the land is a phrase used in the Magna Carta. Kill and murder are two different words. I'm not sure, but I think it is against the law to make special laws that respect certain persons.