No. I mean without God being involved in any way. I mean there has to be a cause for the created order, and the ultimate cause is God who created/caused everything we know apart from Himself.
So you are assuming that God's input is the only possible way for there to be any amount of order?
How do you establish the logical necessity of that assumption?
I'm confused about what you are saying. One, God exists. Two, God created. What did He create? This world/universe. We are His creation.
You claimed this, not me. You claimed that order/structure is evidence of God's influence. How do you know this? Do you have an example of a universe that is completely chaotic, and for which there is no God.
I think this is rather a simple logical connection based on your claim.
You would need to establish the assumption that chaos necessarily = "no God" and that order necessarily = "God". Without a controlled experiment of a universe without a God and a universe with a God, then this cannot be established.
Now, the question for me from what you said here is if we are saying that a controlled experiment can neither prove nor disprove God.
You are the one claiming that God = order, and that no God = chaos. How do you establish that assumption?
I object to this if you are saying somehow science would be able to disprove God's existence.
The fact that you object to something is irrelevant on its own. Unless you can demonstrate the relevance of your objection. As I have pointed out repeatedly, science cannot disprove God's existence. The reasons for this will become clear as you read further into my responses here.
I believe science is the study of God's creation.
Same here. But I am honest that such is not a scientific conclusion.
No. I am saying I don't believe this can happen without some outside influence, even if it is deemed natural is must have been energy coming from outside the system.
OK, so order might be the result of natural processes, right?
That order exists at all speaks to God's existence.
I know you keep saying this, but you have yet to establish the necessary logical connection for this assumption.
That structure exists speaks to His creativity.
Could be, but again you have yet to establish that "God" necessarily = order/structure, and that "no God" necessarily = chaos.
I have no idea what you mean by "the God effect".
The "God effect" would be a description of your claim of His influence. IOW, "God" necessarily = order/structure, and "no God" necessarily = chaos. This is your claim, you need to support it.
Okay. I'm listening to hear more unless you are meaning to end this idea by saying this.
You are the one claiming the logical necessity of "God" = order/structure, and "no God" = chaos. You need to demonstrate the truth of that claim.
No. The Supernatural, if it exists, would have some bearing or influence on the natural...
What objective criteria would you use to determine that "influence" the supernatural has on the natural?
if one were to posit the Supernatural does not exist and all processes are natural.
Science admits that it cannot comment on the existence of the supernatural. Because there is no way to run a control experiment on the natural universe to see how it would differ based on the existence or non-existence of the supernatural. And given the concept that "supernatural" events are claimed by people to be inconsistent in regard to their effect on what we can see in the natural world, then we cannot verify/falsify them empirically.
The original experiment ought to be repeated a number of times by the experimenter, before another experimenter seeks to replicate the results and confirm the conclusion.
Are you seeking to exert some sort of influence on the scientific methodology?