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Christianity vs karma
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freelight
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Its scientific.......
Its scientific.......
Good observation, for all sound waves, energy particles, ions, atoms in movement, in space and time inter-sect, inter-relate and converge with other atoms, sound waves and energy patterns, so they all coalesce in many different ways,...back to the ripple effect idea. And still, no matter how many theological concepts or 'verses' are thrown at my own dissertations on 'karma', it still follows that cause & effect continues thru-out nature, as the law of motion and its corresponding movements, action and re-action, seedtime and harvest. One can also throw any eschatological frame work over it, and it still holds....."actions have their consequences"; one reaps what he sows. The law is individual and universal. Determinations are according to one's karma (actions/deeds)
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Its scientific.......
Good observation, for all sound waves, energy particles, ions, atoms in movement, in space and time inter-sect, inter-relate and converge with other atoms, sound waves and energy patterns, so they all coalesce in many different ways,...back to the ripple effect idea. And still, no matter how many theological concepts or 'verses' are thrown at my own dissertations on 'karma', it still follows that cause & effect continues thru-out nature, as the law of motion and its corresponding movements, action and re-action, seedtime and harvest. One can also throw any eschatological frame work over it, and it still holds....."actions have their consequences"; one reaps what he sows. The law is individual and universal. Determinations are according to one's karma (actions/deeds)
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lets look around and see we are not reaping what we sow
not even close.
"as long as your actions are conditional"
with out Jesus you are going to hell no matter how nice you are.
no such thing as karma, non-quantifiable
:nono:
you are earning a harsher judgement for constantly being exposed to truth
and rejecting it.
in physics .
when?
Heb 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,
you are guaranteed a judgement day
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Lets try again.......
Lets try again.......
Lets see, we've been over this several times already. Actions have their consequences inherent in themselves, ...the results of actions have immediate and eventual effects which manifest in different ways in time.
All I mean here is as long as your actions are 'conditional', meaning they have the power to 'condition' your experience (remember movements arise in a 'cause/effect' sequence). Actions set forth conditions which bring into effect following conditions. Actions condition your experience and set the stage for corresponding effects. This is what I mean by 'conditional', if you have some liberal interpretive powers to follow every nook and cranny of its meaning
This is totally a presumptuous religious belief, based on your own terms and conclusions. Still,....the law of karma continues, as long as any actions whatsoever arise and bring forth their corresponding effects. karma is innate to this space-time creation, wherever actions of any kind take place in the cosmos.
Actions are happening within and without us, all around, thru-out CREATION. Creation is an ever engaging inter-activity of matter, mind, energy, spirit. Science measures and observes the realm of cause/effect in nature,...but on the inner/metaphysical and invisible dimension of existence,....the same law holds but acting on the subjective level of 'experience'. Can you quantify 'energy', 'consciousness' or 'spirit'? Can you quantify 'God'? :idunno: - if your using this kind of logic to prove or disprove something such as invisible universal laws, then you could just as well deny all psychic/spiritual laws and even 'God' Himself....since he is not 'visible' or apparently 'quantifiable'
As a theosophist, I simply acknowledge a universal law of nature, that actions exist and arise spontaneously, and that these actions have effects. Its that simple at the heart of it, but more complex as we consider how karma is operating in the whole of Nature, in its many different ways, on various levels of existence thru-out space and time.
As well as logical and reasonable on the meta-physical level and dimension of existence.
Since actions have their consequences inherent within them, the 'harvesting' of such seeds sown can happen within any given point of time, within the spectrum that such a law allows, but the 'reaping' of what is sown will occur. Time is only a relative measure of what appears to be 'delay' until the harvest is reaped. This should allow you a more liberal observation of what is called 'judgment' or some 'judgment' day.....since the universe thru 'karma' takes care of all measures and balances of justice, and is the means by which all souls also learn, progress and advance along the path towards perfection.
Lets re-iterate that to say, that yes.....all actions will have their consequences. This holds as long as you are a conscious being and can think, speak or act (remember,....karma is action). All actions have their own judgment within themselves and the rewards or penalties "built-in". This is the case whether one conceives of the law or 'Deity' as 'impersonal', or if one has a concept of an anthropomorphic 'God' on a throne meting out 'judgment',...the effect of the law of God or Nature...still carries out. The 'Light' or the 'Christ' weighs and judges all by their 'works'(karma). Hopefully we are getting a better understanding of what 'karma' is.
Lets try again.......
Lets see, we've been over this several times already. Actions have their consequences inherent in themselves, ...the results of actions have immediate and eventual effects which manifest in different ways in time.
"as long as your actions are conditional"
All I mean here is as long as your actions are 'conditional', meaning they have the power to 'condition' your experience (remember movements arise in a 'cause/effect' sequence). Actions set forth conditions which bring into effect following conditions. Actions condition your experience and set the stage for corresponding effects. This is what I mean by 'conditional', if you have some liberal interpretive powers to follow every nook and cranny of its meaning
This is totally a presumptuous religious belief, based on your own terms and conclusions. Still,....the law of karma continues, as long as any actions whatsoever arise and bring forth their corresponding effects. karma is innate to this space-time creation, wherever actions of any kind take place in the cosmos.
Actions are happening within and without us, all around, thru-out CREATION. Creation is an ever engaging inter-activity of matter, mind, energy, spirit. Science measures and observes the realm of cause/effect in nature,...but on the inner/metaphysical and invisible dimension of existence,....the same law holds but acting on the subjective level of 'experience'. Can you quantify 'energy', 'consciousness' or 'spirit'? Can you quantify 'God'? :idunno: - if your using this kind of logic to prove or disprove something such as invisible universal laws, then you could just as well deny all psychic/spiritual laws and even 'God' Himself....since he is not 'visible' or apparently 'quantifiable'
you are earning a harsher judgement for constantly being exposed to truth
and rejecting it.
As a theosophist, I simply acknowledge a universal law of nature, that actions exist and arise spontaneously, and that these actions have effects. Its that simple at the heart of it, but more complex as we consider how karma is operating in the whole of Nature, in its many different ways, on various levels of existence thru-out space and time.
As well as logical and reasonable on the meta-physical level and dimension of existence.
Since actions have their consequences inherent within them, the 'harvesting' of such seeds sown can happen within any given point of time, within the spectrum that such a law allows, but the 'reaping' of what is sown will occur. Time is only a relative measure of what appears to be 'delay' until the harvest is reaped. This should allow you a more liberal observation of what is called 'judgment' or some 'judgment' day.....since the universe thru 'karma' takes care of all measures and balances of justice, and is the means by which all souls also learn, progress and advance along the path towards perfection.
Lets re-iterate that to say, that yes.....all actions will have their consequences. This holds as long as you are a conscious being and can think, speak or act (remember,....karma is action). All actions have their own judgment within themselves and the rewards or penalties "built-in". This is the case whether one conceives of the law or 'Deity' as 'impersonal', or if one has a concept of an anthropomorphic 'God' on a throne meting out 'judgment',...the effect of the law of God or Nature...still carries out. The 'Light' or the 'Christ' weighs and judges all by their 'works'(karma). Hopefully we are getting a better understanding of what 'karma' is.
dodge
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Lets see, we've been over this several times already. Actions have their consequences inherent in themselves, ...the results of actions have immediate and eventual effects which manifest in different ways in time.
All I mean here is as long as your actions are 'conditional', meaning they have the power to 'condition' your experience (remember movements arise in a 'cause/effect' sequence). Actions set forth conditions which bring into effect following conditions. Actions condition your experience and set the stage for corresponding effects. This is what I mean by 'conditional', if you have some liberal interpretive powers to follow every nook and cranny of its meaning
This is totally a presumptuous religious belief, based on your own terms and conclusions. Still,....the law of karma continues, as long as any actions whatsoever arise and bring forth their corresponding effects. karma is innate to this space-time creation, wherever actions of any kind take place in the cosmos.
Actions are happening within and without us, all around, thru-out CREATION. Creation is an ever engaging inter-activity of matter, mind, energy, spirit. Science measures and observes the realm of cause/effect in nature,...but on the inner/metaphysical and invisible dimension of existence,....the same law holds but acting on the subjective level of 'experience'. Can you quantify 'energy', 'consciousness' or 'spirit'? Can you quantify 'God'? :idunno: - if your using this kind of logic to prove or disprove something such as invisible universal laws, then you could just as well deny all psychic/spiritual laws and even 'God' Himself....since he is not 'visible' or apparently 'quantifiable'
As a theosophist, I simply acknowledge a universal law of nature, that actions exist and arise spontaneously, and that these actions have effects. Its that simple at the heart of it, but more complex as we consider how karma is operating in the whole of Nature, in its many different ways, on various levels of existence thru-out space and time.
As well as logical and reasonable on the meta-physical level and dimension of existence.
Since actions have their consequences inherent within them, the 'harvesting' of such seeds sown can happen within any given point of time, within the spectrum that such a law allows, but the 'reaping' of what is sown will occur. Time is only a relative measure of what appears to be 'delay' until the harvest is reaped. This should allow you a more liberal observation of what is called 'judgment' or some 'judgment' day.....since the universe thru 'karma' takes care of all measures and balances of justice, and is the means by which all souls also learn, progress and advance along the path towards perfection.
Lets re-iterate that to say, that yes.....all actions will have their consequences. This holds as long as you are a conscious being and can think, speak or act (remember,....karma is action). All actions have their own judgment within themselves and the rewards or penalties "built-in". This is the case whether one conceives of the law or 'Deity' as 'impersonal', or if one has a concept of an anthropomorphic 'God' on a throne meting out 'judgment',...the effect of the law of God or Nature...still carries out. The 'Light' or the 'Christ' weighs and judges all by their 'works'(karma). Hopefully we are getting a better understanding of what 'karma' is.
I know what karma is it is a lie from Satan.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Yet actions and their consequences, the whole flow of cause/effect sequences continues on, as the law of 'sowing' and 'reaping'.....seedtime and harvest. 'Satan' has nothing to do with it.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Determining points........
Determining points........
Its all 'karma' = 'action and consequence', ...the very movement of creation is a karmic inter-change of action/re-action. Its effects are individual and universal as far as relativity is concerned. The idea or concept is innate within nature and man's own conscience, as that which is a true law, since 'cause & effect' is integral to all activity in space-time, insofar as actions have their following and associated consequences and set into motion new factors that determine conditions and outcomes. This goes on indefinitely as long as there are any choices or actions being made.
Determining points........
Its all 'karma' = 'action and consequence', ...the very movement of creation is a karmic inter-change of action/re-action. Its effects are individual and universal as far as relativity is concerned. The idea or concept is innate within nature and man's own conscience, as that which is a true law, since 'cause & effect' is integral to all activity in space-time, insofar as actions have their following and associated consequences and set into motion new factors that determine conditions and outcomes. This goes on indefinitely as long as there are any choices or actions being made.
Everyone sows
way 2 go
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karma is an undefined lie
is justice everywhere :nono:
is injustice rampant yes
can Jesus Christ death on the cross pay for your
sins according to karma :nono:
belief in karma leads to hell
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Karma bytes......
Karma bytes......
Karma is a fact of life, since all actions affect or influence all corresponding actions (cause/effect; sequence/consequence). All are judged "according to their karma (deeds/actions)" as it's phrased in scripture. No matter how one interprets the atonement of Christ on the cross, this does not negate self-responsibility for one's sins, as the measure of atonement is still determined by repentance, recompense and restitution.
Besides the grace of God which sustains all, one must atone for his own sins as much as is in his power to do so. Such is the karma that corrects and restores one back into right relationship....right-doing.
An insightful Buddhist perspective -
Karma bytes......
Karma is a fact of life, since all actions affect or influence all corresponding actions (cause/effect; sequence/consequence). All are judged "according to their karma (deeds/actions)" as it's phrased in scripture. No matter how one interprets the atonement of Christ on the cross, this does not negate self-responsibility for one's sins, as the measure of atonement is still determined by repentance, recompense and restitution.
Besides the grace of God which sustains all, one must atone for his own sins as much as is in his power to do so. Such is the karma that corrects and restores one back into right relationship....right-doing.
An insightful Buddhist perspective -
way 2 go
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:wave:hi freelight
is justice everywhere ?
do children get cancer ?
karma needs past lives which the bible says no to.
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed to men once to die, but after this the judgment,
you are judged for your sin
Joh 9:41 Jesus said to them, If you were blind, you would have no sin. But now you say, We see. Therefore your sin remains.
and your righteousness is worthless
Isa_64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;
nope
for Christians it is of faith, that it might be by grace
Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
nope,Christianity is not a 12 step program.
Rom 4:5 But to him not working, but believing on Him justifying the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
"According to their works"...........
"According to their works"...........
Every action has consequences which may appear sooner or later in time, modified by various factors which may condition results,....but still.....Every seed planted must produce its own harvest. Perhaps you need to study more on the concept of karma, understand it as a universal law. Enough material and commentary has so far been provided
A person gets sick for any number of causative reasons (factors), some which may be karmic in nature. The law of action/consequence (karma) still remains. "God is not mocked, whatever a man shows, that also will he reap" (measure for measure).
Heb 9:27 does NOT disprove reincarnation.
See here.
Sin produces death, of course....since its a transgression of law, a missing the mark of true love or life. If you transgress a natural or spiritual law, you suffer.
Still, what you sow is what you reap. "And they were judged according to their works (karma)". Faith has its place,....This does not abrogate the law of karma. Love stills calls for us to live according to its law, to do right.
No 12 step program was mentioned, but in the universal court of actions...you are still subject to the conditioning (judgment) of karma. As long as actions have their effects...the law of karma is in force.
Here is a Hindu perspective -
"According to their works"...........
Every action has consequences which may appear sooner or later in time, modified by various factors which may condition results,....but still.....Every seed planted must produce its own harvest. Perhaps you need to study more on the concept of karma, understand it as a universal law. Enough material and commentary has so far been provided
A person gets sick for any number of causative reasons (factors), some which may be karmic in nature. The law of action/consequence (karma) still remains. "God is not mocked, whatever a man shows, that also will he reap" (measure for measure).
Heb 9:27 does NOT disprove reincarnation.
See here.
Sin produces death, of course....since its a transgression of law, a missing the mark of true love or life. If you transgress a natural or spiritual law, you suffer.
Still, what you sow is what you reap. "And they were judged according to their works (karma)". Faith has its place,....This does not abrogate the law of karma. Love stills calls for us to live according to its law, to do right.
No 12 step program was mentioned, but in the universal court of actions...you are still subject to the conditioning (judgment) of karma. As long as actions have their effects...the law of karma is in force.
Here is a Hindu perspective -
Zeke
Well-known member
Certainly we die as a seed falling from heaven John 12:24, the physical death you think is the context of death in the scripture is perverted, Luke 15:35 which is Divine Amnesia a state of death to who and where we came from.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
This is a very interesting subject, since it appears the possibility of some souls being born into a certain condition may be because of sins committed in former life experiences or perhaps as you suggest, some souls may come into life born into certain conditions by their own choice, or by some 'soul-contract' to undergo some kind of experiential struggle that may foster the learning of certain special lessons most important for that soul in its spiritual learning and its own evolution. It is apparent our being born into this material world is being born into all the frailties and imperfections of matter, where the potential for all that is imperfect exists with the perfect in the paradox of duality, where the full spectrum of both good and evil can be experienced. If every incarnated life is a 'school' in the denser realm of matter, perhaps some lessons cannot be learned any other way except being acted out or resolved "in the flesh" so to speak.
In any case,...in religious studies, we cannot separate 'karma' from 'reincarnation' since they are intrinsically intertwined, since ALL actions ever committed, in this world or any other world (at any point in space or time) have consequential effects... so goes the universal law of sowing and reaping. This law must continue as long as sowing in any form continues...unless by some act of grace or transcendence, one can rise above the duality of cause/effect...and maintain an ever sustaining condition of immortality, or purified divine nature where sin and any propensity towards sin is wholly eradicated. Until then,...its back on the wheel of karma.
Freelight, looks like they don't want your "Putridness" in the Chatbox.
Go ahead, make my day!
Hey, Freelight, what do your little green men in their UFOs think about Karma?
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Continuing research.....
Continuing research.....
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Continuing research and contemplation on the concept of 'karma' with a lecture-snippet from Alan Watts. Enjoy the insights -
Expanding on Buddhist concepts of 'inter-dependent origination' is also helpful in expanding the greater context in which things 'relate' to one another, stretching the 'context' even further from a more purely dualistic assumption of 'cause & effect', seeing everything as continuous whole of inter-acting movements.
Inter-dependent origination.
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Continuing research.....
~*~*~
Continuing research and contemplation on the concept of 'karma' with a lecture-snippet from Alan Watts. Enjoy the insights -
Expanding on Buddhist concepts of 'inter-dependent origination' is also helpful in expanding the greater context in which things 'relate' to one another, stretching the 'context' even further from a more purely dualistic assumption of 'cause & effect', seeing everything as continuous whole of inter-acting movements.
Inter-dependent origination.
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