"Sneer quotes" is a good term.
What did Abram agree to, or with?
How can it be a deal if it is just one Person is dealing?
What did he have to back out on?
He believed God's promise of an heir from his own body.
God promised, and Abram believed Him.
Is that your "deal" ?
God also promised Abram many descendants, and all the listed lands.
How could Abram back out of promises from God?
What conditions were attached?
Was it ever possible for Abram to back out of the cut deal made with God in Genesis 15?
If so, how?
I hope I don't back out on the "deal".
What you call "saved" I call "converted", so yes, I have been converted...in your lingo.Have you been saved already? Yes or No?
No, as what the bible says is that there is a day of judgement yet to come.Before, by stating that you will not be saved until judgement day, you stated that you have not already been saved. Do you want to now tell a different story than that?
"Saved" and "sealed unto salvation" are two very different thingsWhether you like it or not, that is indeed what you are saying when you say that you are not saved: viz., you are thereby saying that you have never been sealed by the Holy Spirit. You can sit there lying about it all you like, but you're not going to make that fact disappear.
I do have hope in Jesus Christ who has washed away my past sins with His own blood.You've made it clear that you have no hope, heretic.
Good, so quit saying you possess something "from in the future".I have always realized that.
Yet costly.Falsely equivocating.
I have been saying that all along.If you can be lost.... you were never saved.
That will depend on how I obey God, and His Son, on earth.The only judgment that I will face is the judgment seat of Christ.
It sounds like you're headed for the white throne judgment.
If their past sins have been washed away by the blood of Christ, they are no longer thieves, adulterers, or liars.1Cor 6:9-11 (AKJV/PCE)
(6:9) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, (6:10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. (6:11) And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
How long have you been a non-sinner ?Nope. Christ died for my sins... all of them.
So have I, at my "immersion" into Him and into His death and burial.I am buried with Him in baptism (by the Holy Ghost).
I was trying to accentuate the place real Christians reside.Why your sneer quotes around the phrase, "in the Lord"? Are you saying that no one is in the Lord?
Salvation won't happen until our names are found in the book of life.Either one is saved, or he/she is not saved. In the case of one who is saved, why do you say it is wrong for him/her to declare that he/she is saved, since he/she is therein declaring truth? It is never wrong to declare truth.
If they are converts to Christianity, they are not liars, or adulterers, or thieves, anymore.Um, every last liar, adulterer, or thief who has been saved from his/her sins of lying, adultery, and thieving. Duh. What a stupid question.
You are not alone in hoping I lose my faith that God can keep me pure until the last day.I hope, on the contrary, that your present faith (which is that of a self-righteous, Christ-denying heretic) does not last through even another minute, and that you become converted to Biblical faith, instead.
You're a brazen Christ-blasphemer. Here, you are telling us that souls who reside in Christ are nevertheless not saved.I was trying to accentuate the place real Christians reside.
Salvation won't happen until our names are found in the book of life.
You're a self-righteous, brazen liar, so according to you, you are not a convert to Christ.If they are converts to Christianity, they are not liars, or adulterers, or thieves, anymore.
If they are still lying etc., they are not converts to Christ.
Your arrogance and self-centeredness know no bounds.Yet costly.
I believe the truth, which is that Christ died for my sins.I have been saying that all along.
You just believe in OSAS, so don't think you can still be lost.
This is the perfect demonstration of your idea that you can work for you own salvation. You are lost and in need of being saved.That will depend on how I obey God, and His Son, on earth.
Exactly the point.If their past sins have been washed away by the blood of Christ, they are no longer thieves, adulterers, or liars.
Not true. There is no such thing as "repentance from sin" in the Bible.Providing that their repentance from sin is true, they will not sin again.
I am saved by Christ, who is the sinless one.How long have you been a non-sinner ?
So you claim. But your other statements betray you.So have I, at my "immersion" into Him and into His death and burial.
You already made it clear that you don't believe God can/will save you:You are not alone in hoping I lose my faith that God can keep me pure until the last day.
I forgive you.
No doubt you asininely expect/intend to walk straight up to God and demand He hand you a pen so you can use your hands to write your name into His book:My future is in my hands.
Salvation won't happen until our names are found in the book of life.
"There, God! See, I wrote my name into Your book, so I'm now officially saved! Just wanted to let You know that You did not save me, and that I saved myself!"I also know that nothing will be official until our names are found in the book of life.
They will be saved, if they endure till the end.You're a brazen Christ-blasphemer. Here, you are telling us that souls who reside in Christ are nevertheless not saved.
My righteousness is that of God.You're a self-righteous, brazen liar, so according to you, you are not a convert to Christ.
I didn't feel like writing out a bunch of sins that could be generalized by two or three examples.It's also telling that you left murderers out of your list. Why is that?
Thank God for rebirth, eh ?Oh, yeah, it's because everyone knows that when a man murders even just one person, he spends the rest of his life a murderer...even if he never thereafter murders another soul.
They are indeed, unless they have been reborn of God's seed.I've no doubt that some murderers on death row are converts to Christ--born-again Christians; and guess what, they're still murderers.
Thanks be to God for the free gift.Your arrogance and self-centeredness know no bounds.
I was talking about God's free gift of salvation and yet YOU make it about the cost to YOU. That is the FALSE EQUIVOCATION that I was talking about.
That is downright blasphemous.
Yeah, me too.I believe the truth, which is that Christ died for my sins.
As salvation won't be mine until the redemption of my vessel, your point is moot.This is the perfect demonstration of your idea that you can work for you own salvation. You are lost and in need of being saved.
I am glad we agree.Exactly the point.
"But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." (Matt 9:13)Not true. There is no such thing as "repentance from sin" in the Bible.
He was the first.I am saved by Christ, who is the sinless one.
Well, lets see...So you claim. But your other statements betray you.
I thought you were going to supply some proof of your POV.You already made it clear that you don't believe God can/will save you:
Hardly.No doubt you asininely expect/intend to walk straight up to God and demand He hand you a pen so you can use your hands to write your name into His book:
"There, God! See, I wrote my name into Your book, so I'm now officially saved! Just wanted to let You know that You did not save me, and that I saved myself!"
(Words of @Hoping's "savior" in red print.)
You are lying, you self-righteous sinner. Because you understand you cannot deal rationally with it, you're vainly pretending that you've missed the very clear and elementary objection I made against your Christ-despising heresy: viz., that you are telling us that souls who right now are residing in Christ are nevertheless right now not saved.You're a brazen Christ-blasphemer. Here, you are telling us that souls who reside in Christ are nevertheless not saved.
They will be saved, if they endure till the end.
What's an "ex-murderer"?The ex-murderer
Salvation won't happen until our names are found in the book of life.
Aha! No one has ever been saved, and no one will ever be saved until @Hoping finds their name in God's book. Got it.I won't even be able to look at Him until I find our that He didn't erase my name from the book of life.
Amen!Thanks be to God for the free gift.
Whatever that means.I will continue to pray for all those who left me behind.
Pride is your problem.Yeah, me too.
I am so thankful for His suffering and death on my part that I will remain faithful to Him until the end.
Word searches are kid stuff. None of that says anything about "repentance from sin"."But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." (Matt 9:13)
"When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." (Mark 2:17)
"And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed." (2 Cor 12:21)
Not all wisdom comes in your format.
And only at this point in time. You are not God.He was the first.
In position, but not in practice.And now, everybody "in Him" is sinless too.
What you are saying is that one doesn't need to remain faithful till Jesus returns, and will be given eternal life anyway.You are lying, you self-righteous sinner. Because you understand you cannot deal rationally with it, you're vainly pretending that you've missed the very clear and elementary objection I made against your Christ-despising heresy: viz., that you are telling us that souls who right now are residing in Christ are nevertheless right now not saved.
Among other things, according to your retarded heresy, even Paul the Apostle was never saved before he died, has never yet been saved, and is right now not saved!
It is one who has repented of sin and been baptized into Christ and into His death and burial.What's an "ex-murderer"?
Is John Wilkes Booth an "ex-murderer"?
Booth: "I used to be a murderer. Every 14 April 1865, I used to go to Ford's Theatre and murder Abe Lincoln, but I stopped doing that, so now I am an ex-murderer."