Calvinism: You Must Already be Saved to Get Saved?

[God's Truth]

1 Timothy 1:15 is present tense. "Of whom I am chief".

If it was past tense it would have said, "Of whom I was chief".

He didn't keep doing the things that qualified him as the chief.

Get some sense.

 

[God's Truth]

Get a brain, who would think Paul was still doing the things that gave him the self imposed name as chief of sinners? Paul used to drag Christian men and women to jail and have them beaten, tortured and put to death. He tried to destroy Jesus' church. Do you really want to keep saying Paul kept doing those things? How do you function in life at all with that kind of reasoning skills?

 

[Robert Pate]

Get a brain, who would think Paul was still doing the things that gave him the self imposed name as chief of sinners? Paul used to drag Christian men and women to jail and have them beaten, tortured and put to death. He tried to destroy Jesus' church. Do you really want to keep saying Paul kept doing those things? How do you function in life at all with that kind of reasoning skills?

Paul fully and completely accepted his sinner hood. We are all born after Adam. We have all sinned and come short of the glory of God, Romans 3:23. We all need to be saved by the doing and the dying of Jesus. Except for you.

 

[God's Truth]

Paul fully and completely accepted his sinner hood. We are all born after Adam. We have all sinned and come short of the glory of God, Romans 3:23. We all need to be saved by the doing and the dying of Jesus. Except for you.

So you are going to keep talking ignorant, it is up to you, but you cannot ever tell God, "I didn't know."

 

[Robert Pate]

So you are going to keep talking ignorant, it is up to you, but you cannot ever tell God, "I didn't know."

That goes for you. Paul has told you, John has told you, I and many others on the Forum have told you, but you still maintain your righteousness.

 

[God's Truth]

That goes for you. Paul has told you, John has told you, I and many others on the Forum have told you, but you still maintain your righteousness.

It is not righteous to not obey Jesus, no matter what you say.

 

[lifeisgood]

Jesus doesn't tell everyone to do that. Jesus doesn't tell everyone to be a traveling minister. If you too obeyed Jesus you would have been given understanding.

HOWEVER, you say that you, gt, OBEY ALL Jesus' commandments and then you say that those commandments were not for you.

 

[lifeisgood]

It is not righteous to not obey Jesus, no matter what you say.

There is a PALPABLE difference between 'I, gt, SAY' and 'I, gt, DO'.

You, gt, 'say' however you, gt, 'no do'. (I know, I know, horrible grammar.)

 

[Robert Pate]

It is not righteous to not obey Jesus, no matter what you say.

John says that you are a sinner.

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us" 1 John 1:8.

 

[God's Truth]

John says that you are a sinner.

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us" 1 John 1:8.

All sinners have to repent.

 

[God's Truth]

There is a PALPABLE difference between 'I, gt, SAY' and 'I, gt, DO'.

You, gt, 'say' however you, gt, 'no do'. (I know, I know, horrible grammar.)

Notice you cannot just speak about the scriptures, you have to accuse.

 

[God's Truth]

HOWEVER, you say that you, gt, OBEY ALL Jesus' commandments and then you say that those commandments were not for you.

Jesus gives commands for all. You have to go search what those are.

 

[lifeisgood]

Jesus gives commands for all. You have to go search what those are.

However, you, gt, have said that YOU obey ALL His commandments and then when told to go do this one command or that other one, you say that they are not for you.

 

[lifeisgood]

Notice you cannot just speak about the scriptures, you have to accuse.

I, lifeisgood, am not accusing you, gt. I am merely repeating what you, gt, have so boldly stated in these our battling grounds.

 

[God's Truth]

However, you, gt, have said that YOU obey ALL His commandments and then when told to go do this one command or that other one, you say that they are not for you.

If you are not paralyzed, you would not have to pick up your mat and go home.

You do not even have sense that is common to humans.

 

[lifeisgood]

If you are not paralyzed, you would not have to pick up your mat and go home.

You do not even have sense that is common to humans.

So, you, gt, don't obey ALL of Jesus' commands even though you, gt, vociferously, boldly, confidently, say that you, gt, do.... Got it.

 

[God's Truth]

So, you, gt, don't obey ALL of Jesus' commands even though you, gt, vociferously, boldly, confidently, say that you, gt, do.... Got it.

I obey everything that Jesus commands all to do.

If I was not and said I was not, I would be a liar like you and I would be living every day in the sin you claim you still live in.

 

[Truster]

I obey everything that Jesus commands all to do.

If I was not and said I was not, I would be a liar like you and I would be living every day in the sin you claim you still live in.

Still waiting.

For a definitive answer as to what "you" think sin is.

Do you sin.. Yes/No

Give a reason for the hope that is in you or the hopelessness you feel.

 

[God's Truth]

Still waiting.

For a definitive answer as to what "you" think sin is.

Do you sin.. Yes/No

Give a reason for the hope that is in you or the hopelessness you feel.

Let me know when hell freezes over.

 

[Truster]

Let me know when hell freezes over.

It never will. It's waiting for you.