I'm not sure about you, but I know that neither my eye nor my hand cause me to sin. My "heart" causes me to sin.
calling Pope Father.. Jesus used term "Father Abraham"
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According to your "expert" opinion, then, Jesus had no idea what he was talking about when he suggested that your eye and hand causes you to sin, is that right? :doh:
In any case, the actual issue under discussion was whether or not Jesus used hyperbole in his teaching. As usual, you missed the point once again
What has your eye done that made you sin? What has your hand done that made you sin?
republicanchick
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yeh, you are probably right. God loves Abraham WAYYYYYYY more than the pope
or any pope who came b4 him
yeppers
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What do you suppose Jesus meant by saying this? (If you don't know the answer, just say so.)
republicanchick
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so you are arguing with JESUS???
oh, yeh... I forgot... you've been doing that for some time now..
Yeh, Jesus did not say "If your HEART" causes you to stumble (sin)
he mentioned those parts of our body that actually DO the sin...
The heart is where sin begins, but Jesus knew (knows) that we have absolutely NO control over the disordered desires of our hearts..
What we DO have control over is what we DO... with hands... feet... eyes..
If your feet walk you to the video store to get porn...
well, Jesus would want you to just STOP that rather than cut off your foot... His point is that you are required to do ANYTHING necessary... absolutely ANYTHING to save your soul
(by the way:
So much for the doctrine of Once saved always saved)
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So, if I pluck out my eye or cut off my hand and they continue to sin, I am in trouble with God or is my eye and/or hand?
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Post #165.
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Think about it. God loves Abraham because Abraham obeyed Him.
Genesis 26:4-5 I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws."
Catholics are NOT obeying God!
This is serious.
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...declares the God-denying (anti-Trinitarian) non-Christian. :doh:
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Why in the heck would I cut off my hands and pluck out my eye if I stop sinning with my hands and eyes?!!!
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Amen. Stop before it gets to your heart.
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There's no such thing as hyperbole? That statement itself is hyperbolic language. That is quite poetic of you!
Either Jesus was speaking literally or not. Do you truly believe he meant us to call no man "Father" ?
Be honest. Do you truly call no man at all by that title?
So how do you obey Christ when he tells you to hate your mother and father?
Apostolic succession is not a bad thing. It is an entirely different concept than sectarianism. Neither I, nor any Catholic, follows Peter's preferred teachings, or believes the Church is founded by Peter. Christ founded the Church on Peter, remember? Peter did not found my Church. Christ did. (Compare this to the human founders of Calvinism, or Mormonism)
And "son." Come on.
But Paul called Paul (a man on Earth) "Father." Did he disobey your literal interpretation of Christ's words in Matthew 23?
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There are three.
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"Three" what?
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No brother in Christ is called ‘father’ just as Jesus says.
When I wanted to be saved, I obeyed Jesus. Jesus said hate your mother and father, so I did. Even though I did not understand how this could be, I obeyed. I did not lean on my own understanding, proverbs 3:5,6.
He said ‘son’ to Timothy, because that was personal; but, brother to us, because that is what we are to call each other.
The Catholic church makes many sinners.
You just do not care enough about God’s words.
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No brother in Christ is called ‘father’ just as Jesus says.
When I wanted to be saved, I obeyed Jesus. Jesus said hate your mother and father, so I did. Even though I did not understand how this could be, I obeyed. I did not lean on my own understanding, Proverbs 3:5,6.
He said ‘son’ to Timothy, because that was personal; but, brother to us, because that is what we are to call each other.
The Catholic church makes many sinners.
You just do not care enough about God’s words.
Which is EXACTLY the point.
glassjester
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Enough dodging. Jesus says to call no man Father. Do you believe his words in a literal sense or not?
Do you believe that no one at all, no matter what, under any conditions whatsoever, should be called "Father"?