Aimiel said:
No one, since God cannot be limited by His creation. You attempt to, by claiming that He must obey your idea of morality / justice. I accept what He has said, in light of all that He has said, instead of 'picking and choosing' what I want to believe. I'm not limiting Him any more than saying that Jesus was circumcised. What I'm doing is called agreement. What you're doing, which is perverting and re-interpreting Scripture to fit your ears, is limiting God.
This might be valid if eternal torment was actually what He said.
Since it isn't..it isn't valid.
Our "idea" of morality and justice is,. in fact, the application of what the Word proclaims.
God has sworn by Himself that every knee will bow, every tongue confess Jesus as Lord to the Glory of God the Father.
The doctrine of eternal torment says this means that billions will do this while burning for eternity. It forces one to accept a mind-set that redefines what "subjection" to Christ actually entails.
Explain how "Hell" spells subjection to Christ. How is it that never ending banishment outside of God and His will (supposedly) is subjection...and how that picture could possibly be veiwed as what God has in mind by being "all in all".
I child could see the absurdity of it...but people defend this doctrine as if it is the only thing that gives the gospel any validity whatsoever.
This is how much this doctrine of unending misery has warped men's minds, so much that we think that we are vindicting God while upholding the most monterous thing anyone could ever possibly concieve of.
So much of what has been said by the adherants of eternal misery is blatently ludicrous and absolutely standing God's intentions and character upside down that it is a wonder so many don't seem to recognize it for what it is. It is so insidious that the warped logic used to "support" it is even called "common sense", as though it is all perfectly logical that making an endless hell is something God defines as "just" and "moral".
Randy Klassen, in his book "What Does the Bible Really Say About Hell?", wrote the following:
Made in the image of God, all humans have a moral sense, a judicial sentiment. Even the unredeemed cringe when the Holocaust is reviewed. Our moral intuition rejects the idea that anyone, human or divine, who endlessly inflicted pain on another could be called "good."
The doctrine of eternal torment, alone, calls upon man to find a way to make it appear that God, who is moral and just, considers said outcome to be both.
The sad part is, the people who believe that it is really the teaching of the Bible think they can, and have, when what they say is so patantly morbid and ridiculously blasphemous...literally accusing God of creating a situation where He literally cannot accomplish what he has set out to do, in spite of what the rest of the Word of God says clearly in opposition to it.
